Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Frank Gilson]

Below, a question about use of Elephants was asked. I'll attempt to answer.

Most of my elephant use has been that of Irr B Indian elephants with several
bowmen on their back and LI B on the base, to create hard to hurt elephant
units that project a lot of shooting.

The debate is generally whether or not to put LI on the base. If you do, you
must move as foot for approach priority (after mounted), you can't go long
in a pursuit/charge, and the LI are typically irregular so your unit will
take double hth fatigue.

Putting the LI on the base has the virtues of lowering CPF you take, making
it harder for you to be shot up, increasing the shooting you put out...

As the main problem for elephants is receiving enemy missile fire...I think
putting LI on their bases is well justified...as is having them as Irr B
morale. There will come a time that you need to waver in order to charge
missile troops.

The worst elephants are generally Irr C with JLS crew, no LI on base. They
still cause unease and would beat any mounted in HTH...but don't put out any
significant missile fire, while having no advantages against receiving such
fire. They also don't beat enough infantry foes.

Some elephants have a Pike crewman...these elephants typically can't have LI
on their base, and most of them are Irr C. However, the Ghaznavid list has a
good supply of them as Irr B. The pike allows them to be the best sort of
melee elephants (as opposed to the missile fire that Indian type elephants
put out). Yet they are vulnerable to enemy missiles and need support troops
that can draw shooting away from them.

Frank Gilson

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:55:24 -0500
From: "Scott & Tracie McCoppin" <sctrac@...>
Subject: Stupid (or rather inexperienced) tactics question....

Ok, a lot has been talked about how to kill elephants and which armies are
better at dealing with them when faced with them, etc., however my question
is this:

Who uses elephants and how have you used them MOST successfully? I have a
2nd Punic War Carthaginian army set up for DBM that I will add subtract
to/from when Classical Warrior comes out. I have yet to use elephants in
Warrior and I am looking for subjective insights as to how to get the most
bang for my buck.

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First of all, Thanks to all who have responded to my question!

LI on the base: I suspected that the biggest advantage to this was the
staying power. My thoughts were to add a detachment of LI so that when
combined would give the elephant unit more figs to chase away when getting
shot at - however neither is an option with the Carthaginian list that I am
working with, and don't know if it will change when CW is released. My
Polybian Romans however get up to two elephants with Numidian LI as a
detachment - something I was definitely thinking of trying. With a 2
elephant parent unit and 4 Els. of LI makes for 8 per 40mm of frontage for
CPF (5+2+1 [1/2 of the third rank - correct?]) - not to mention the ability
to use them as screens (either as a front rank in the combined unit or
detaching them).

With the Carthaginians they can have up to 8 elephants, with 2 jls and an UA
driver or just the driver (UA) - my thought was to have 2X3 and 1X2 (all
with Howdah and the 2 JLS crew) w/ Irr C JLS LI screening and supporting
them on the approach - I just run the risk of getting feathered when the
screen withdraws.

Any thoughts or ideas?

Scott A McCoppin, AIA
mccoppinarchitecture, pa
704.560.4154
architecture@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Gilson [mailto:franktrevorgilson@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:51 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] Elephants, and how I love them

Below, a question about use of Elephants was asked. I'll attempt to answer.

Most of my elephant use has been that of Irr B Indian elephants with several
bowmen on their back and LI B on the base, to create hard to hurt elephant
units that project a lot of shooting.

The debate is generally whether or not to put LI on the base. If you do, you
must move as foot for approach priority (after mounted), you can't go long
in a pursuit/charge, and the LI are typically irregular so your unit will
take double hth fatigue.

Putting the LI on the base has the virtues of lowering CPF you take, making
it harder for you to be shot up, increasing the shooting you put out...

As the main problem for elephants is receiving enemy missile fire...I think
putting LI on their bases is well justified...as is having them as Irr B
morale. There will come a time that you need to waver in order to charge
missile troops.

The worst elephants are generally Irr C with JLS crew, no LI on base. They
still cause unease and would beat any mounted in HTH...but don't put out any
significant missile fire, while having no advantages against receiving such
fire. They also don't beat enough infantry foes.

Some elephants have a Pike crewman...these elephants typically can't have LI
on their base, and most of them are Irr C. However, the Ghaznavid list has a
good supply of them as Irr B. The pike allows them to be the best sort of
melee elephants (as opposed to the missile fire that Indian type elephants
put out). Yet they are vulnerable to enemy missiles and need support troops
that can draw shooting away from them.

Frank Gilson

***************************
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:55:24 -0500
From: "Scott & Tracie McCoppin" <sctrac@...>
Subject: Stupid (or rather inexperienced) tactics question....

Ok, a lot has been talked about how to kill elephants and which armies are
better at dealing with them when faced with them, etc., however my question
is this:

Who uses elephants and how have you used them MOST successfully? I have a
2nd Punic War Carthaginian army set up for DBM that I will add subtract
to/from when Classical Warrior comes out. I have yet to use elephants in
Warrior and I am looking for subjective insights as to how to get the most
bang for my buck.

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