Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Just a quick question to confirm if my understanding of how fractions
work in Warrior is correct.

If a limit on an army list is 0-1/2, and you have an odd number of
elements, does the fraction round up? I believe it does, but I can't
find a place where the rulebook is clear on the subject.

So for instance, if you have 7 of some type, and can upgrade half,
does 3.5 become 4 or 3?

Thanks
Cole

[scott holder]

Please point out a *specific* example. I'm not going to answer in
generalities.

scott


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Nicholas Cioran" <ncioran@...>
wrote:
>
> Just a quick question to confirm if my understanding of how
fractions
> work in Warrior is correct.
>
> If a limit on an army list is 0-1/2, and you have an odd number of
> elements, does the fraction round up? I believe it does, but I
can't
> find a place where the rulebook is clear on the subject.
>
> So for instance, if you have 7 of some type, and can upgrade half,
> does 3.5 become 4 or 3?
>
> Thanks
> Cole
>

Scott Holder wrote:
> Please point out a *specific* example. I'm not going to answer in
> generalities.

Sure Scott, here's a few from the Wallachian list:

- Extra to upgrade Boyars to IrrA @ 3 pts... 0-1/2

If you have 3 Boyars, can you upgrade 1 or 2?

- Extra to upgrade Ottoman Sipahis to HC @ 6 pts... 0-2/3

If you have 2 Sipahis, can you upgrade 1 or 2?

- Extra to give LC Tartar JLS @ 4 pts... 0-1/2

If you have 3 LC Tartars, can you give 1 or 2 JLS?

In SFB there was a general rule: Fractions of 1/2 or greater round
up, which was great, as it meant there was no question.

But I can't seem to find anything of the sort for Warrior. So my
final question is: is there a general principle for the rounding of
fractions in Warrior, and if so what is it?

Thanks
Cole

[scott holder]

In these examples, 1/2 means half. We deliberately say nothing
about rounding because, in these examples, there ain't any
since.....1/2 means 1/2, ie., you can go up to the 1/2 amount but
not exceed it. If you buy 3 of something and only 1/2 can be
upgraded, that means only 1 can have the appropriate upgrade. If
you buy 3 of something and only 2/3s can be upgraded, presto, 2 can
be upgraded. If you purchased 4 of something and only 2/3s can be
upgraded, then only 2 of those purchased get the upgrade. Again,
the fractions are firm numbers, the whole "rounding up" issue is
from another game some of us used to play:):)

That being said, there are some issues associated with upgrades that
start "1/2-all" which Bill and I are working on and will post
something when we're ready to post something.

scott

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Nicholas Cioran" <ncioran@...>
wrote:
>
> Scott Holder wrote:
> > Please point out a *specific* example. I'm not going to answer
in
> > generalities.
>
> Sure Scott, here's a few from the Wallachian list:
>
> - Extra to upgrade Boyars to IrrA @ 3 pts... 0-1/2
>
> If you have 3 Boyars, can you upgrade 1 or 2?
>
> - Extra to upgrade Ottoman Sipahis to HC @ 6 pts... 0-2/3
>
> If you have 2 Sipahis, can you upgrade 1 or 2?
>
> - Extra to give LC Tartar JLS @ 4 pts... 0-1/2
>
> If you have 3 LC Tartars, can you give 1 or 2 JLS?
>
> In SFB there was a general rule: Fractions of 1/2 or greater round
> up, which was great, as it meant there was no question.
>
> But I can't seem to find anything of the sort for Warrior. So my
> final question is: is there a general principle for the rounding
of
> fractions in Warrior, and if so what is it?
>
> Thanks
> Cole
>

Scott

I'm sorry to say that without your answer the situation is
confusing. Saying nothing leaves new players like me guessing, and
the answer isn't obvious, particularly because elsewhere in Warrior
fractions DO round up (i.e. Rear rank shooting and fighting).

So, as the game has situational rounding criteria, a statement in
the army books like:

"All fractions remaining from 0-(fraction) modifiers are rounded
down"

or some such thing would vastly clarify the situation.

Obviously this leaves the question open for other fractional
upgrades, as you mention need to be considered, but it would be a
start.

Thanks
Cole

Scott Holder wrote:
> In these examples, 1/2 means half. We deliberately say nothing
> about rounding because, in these examples, there ain't any
> since.....1/2 means 1/2, ie., you can go up to the 1/2 amount but
> not exceed it. If you buy 3 of something and only 1/2 can be
> upgraded, that means only 1 can have the appropriate upgrade. If
> you buy 3 of something and only 2/3s can be upgraded, presto, 2
can
> be upgraded. If you purchased 4 of something and only 2/3s can be
> upgraded, then only 2 of those purchased get the upgrade. Again,
> the fractions are firm numbers, the whole "rounding up" issue is
> from another game some of us used to play:)
>
> That being said, there are some issues associated with upgrades
that
> start "1/2-all" which Bill and I are working on and will post
> something when we're ready to post something.

[Mark Stone]

--- On February 16 Cole said: ---

> I'm sorry to say that without your answer the situation is
> confusing. Saying nothing leaves new players like me guessing, and
> the answer isn't obvious....

I don't want to be rude here -- well, not too rude anyway -- but I'm not sure
what Scott or Jon is supposed to do to make a literal reading of the rule more
clear. It's just arithmetic:

The line says upgrade 0-1/2.
You've taken a quantity of 3.
So, figure it out: what quanities are at least 0 but no more than 1/2 of 3? "2"
would pretty clearly stand out as not a quantity in that range. Maybe I'm
missing something, but I just don't see where any guesswork is involved.


-Mark

[scott holder]

Mark:

Thank you.

scott


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Mark Stone <mark@...> wrote:
>
> --- On February 16 Cole said: ---
>
> > I'm sorry to say that without your answer the situation is
> > confusing. Saying nothing leaves new players like me guessing,
and
> > the answer isn't obvious....
>
> I don't want to be rude here -- well, not too rude anyway -- but
I'm not sure
> what Scott or Jon is supposed to do to make a literal reading of
the rule more
> clear. It's just arithmetic:
>
> The line says upgrade 0-1/2.
> You've taken a quantity of 3.
> So, figure it out: what quanities are at least 0 but no more than
1/2 of 3? "2"
> would pretty clearly stand out as not a quantity in that range.
Maybe I'm
> missing something, but I just don't see where any guesswork is
involved.
>
>
> -Mark
>

Mark Stone wrote:
> I don't want to be rude here -- well, not too rude anyway -- but
> I'm not sure what Scott or Jon is supposed to do to make a literal
> reading of the rule more clear. It's just arithmetic:
>
> The line says upgrade 0-1/2.
> You've taken a quantity of 3.
> So, figure it out: what quanities are at least 0 but no more than
> 1/2 of 3? "2"
> would pretty clearly stand out as not a quantity in that range.
> Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see where any \n> guesswork is involved.

I'm not meaning to be rude either, but it took me a year to figure
out there might be a discrepancy, so bear with me. Consider:

- If 1/2 of a rear rank fights, and it has 3 figures, 2 fight. So
the 1 1/2 rounds up to 2.

- In army lists a fraction of 1 1/2 elements rounds down to 1.

Same game, but different rounding rules, and hence my my confusion,
all of which could be avoided in the future by adding a sentance.

Thanks
Cole

[Ed Forbes]

I agree with Nicholas on this. Warrior does have conflicting methods of rounding
and as such the method should be spelled out.

Ed

-- "Nicholas Cioran" <ncioran@...> wrote:

Mark Stone wrote:
> I don't want to be rude here -- well, not too rude anyway -- but
> I'm not sure what Scott or Jon is supposed to do to make a literal
> reading of the rule more clear. It's just arithmetic:
>
> The line says upgrade 0-1/2.
> You've taken a quantity of 3.
> So, figure it out: what quanities are at least 0 but no more than
> 1/2 of 3? "2"
> would pretty clearly stand out as not a quantity in that range.
> Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see where any \n> guesswork is involved.

I'm not meaning to be rude either, but it took me a year to figure
out there might be a discrepancy, so bear with me. Consider:

- If 1/2 of a rear rank fights, and it has 3 figures, 2 fight. So
the 1 1/2 rounds up to 2.

- In army lists a fraction of 1 1/2 elements rounds down to 1.

Same game, but different rounding rules, and hence my my confusion,
all of which could be avoided in the future by adding a sentance.

Thanks
Cole








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The difference in the list books is the line:
0 - 1/2
Read zero TO one half.
You can not round up and still have a number that is 0-1/2.

Or the other way:

2/3 to All.
You can not round down and still have a number that is 2/3 to all.


The other areas in the rules state when you should round if you do
and which way you need to.


Ambrose

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "eforbes100@..."
<eforbes100@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Nicholas on this. Warrior does have conflicting
methods of rounding and as such the method should be spelled out.
>
> Ed
>
> -- "Nicholas Cioran" <ncioran@...> wrote:
>
> Mark Stone wrote:
> > I don't want to be rude here -- well, not too rude anyway -- but
> > I'm not sure what Scott or Jon is supposed to do to make a
literal
> > reading of the rule more clear. It's just arithmetic:
> >
> > The line says upgrade 0-1/2.
> > You've taken a quantity of 3.
> > So, figure it out: what quanities are at least 0 but no more
than
> > 1/2 of 3? "2"
> > would pretty clearly stand out as not a quantity in that range.
> > Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see where any \n> > guesswork is involved.
>
> I'm not meaning to be rude either, but it took me a year to figure
> out there might be a discrepancy, so bear with me. Consider:
>
> - If 1/2 of a rear rank fights, and it has 3 figures, 2 fight. So
> the 1 1/2 rounds up to 2.
>
> - In army lists a fraction of 1 1/2 elements rounds down to 1.
>
> Same game, but different rounding rules, and hence my my
confusion,
> all of which could be avoided in the future by adding a sentance.
>
> Thanks
> Cole
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

[Ed Forbes]

The point is that if fighting 1-1/2 ranks, I think the rules say to round up (
At least I have been doing it this way).

In the list rules they do not tell you to round down.

One can easily and logically assume if the only specified rounding procedure in
the rules is to round up, all other rounding is also up.

FHE could as easily make the above argument as they do the one below for
rounding on lists. One did round up under 7th, and the wording has not changed.
If the wording has not changed, why would we assume that the intent has changed?
As such, the rounding procedure should be spelled out. Easily done as a global
list statement.

Ed

-- "wacoddignton" <TheBugKing@...> wrote:
The difference in the list books is the line:
0 - 1/2
Read zero TO one half.
You can not round up and still have a number that is 0-1/2.

Or the other way:

2/3 to All.
You can not round down and still have a number that is 2/3 to all.


The other areas in the rules state when you should round if you do
and which way you need to.


Ambrose

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "eforbes100@..."
<eforbes100@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Nicholas on this. Warrior does have conflicting
methods of rounding and as such the method should be spelled out.
>
> Ed
>