Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[scott holder]

47 different players in 80 tourney slots.

Many thanks to Todd Kaeser for umping the 3rd round of the Theme and for Ed
Bernhard for playing Bill Low's third round slot in the Theme so that the two of
us could go get massacred in some dark German forest by the evil Romans as led
by the boys from On Military Matters. Next year: Cage Match.

Many thanks to Shawn Blevin and Jon Becker for offering to float in the Theme.
I didn't have to use them but guys, I *really* appreciate the offer. Every
other player in your respective event should thank you as well because it means
no byes.

Sportsman: Mike Byrne
Other Sportsman nominees: Charles Yaw, Jamie Gentry, Lenny Hermann, Mike Bard,
Tim Grimmett.

We didn't do Best Camp, Terrain, Armies per se. There was an NASAMW event in
this which some people participated. We're gonna do something different next
year with possibly just me and Darrell Smith doing the judging with emphasis on
the theme games. This is way unthought out yet so don't quote me on anything.
This year, as always, I went around to all the Warrior events over the three
days and noted armies and camps worth mentioning in terms of eye-candy.

Camps:
Mike Mallamaci, 25mm for his Nikephorian Byzantines
Charles Yaw, 25mm for his Sassanid Persians
John Becker, 15mm for his Holy Roman Imperial and 25mm for his EIR
Mike Bard, 25mm for his Syracusans (I'd seen it at Cold Wars as well).

Armies:
Rich Kroupa, 25mm LIR AND 25mm Sicilian Hohenstaufen
Mike Mallamaci, 25mm Nikephorian Byzantine
Todd Kaeser, 25mm Alexander Imperial (Rob Turnball's army)
Bill Chriss, 15mm Hellenistic Greek
Charles Yaw, 25mm Sassanid Persian
Mike Bard, 25mm Syracusan
Tim Brown, New Assyrian

Sponsors:
Four Horsemen Enterprises
Silver Eagle
Old Glory
Iron Wind
Molniya
Age Of Glory

25mm Open
1) Charles Yaw, 27, Sassanid Persian
2) Dick Hurchanik, 18, L Ottoman Turk
3) Mike Bard, 16.2, Syracusan
4) Ty Downs, 13.1, L Hungarian
5) Ed Kollmer, 8.9, Nikephorian Byzantine
6) Josh Downs, 4.9, L Teutonic Knight

15mm Open
1) Dan Woyke, 26.3, Moldavian
2) Jon Becker, 25.2, Holy Roman Imperial
3) Jevon Garrett, 22.3, Ayyubid Egyptian
4) Frank Stratton, 16.9, Alexandrian Imperial*
5) Tim Grimmett, 14.9, Gallic
6) Michael Lewis, 14.7, Ghaznavid
7) Chris Schulitz, 14.4, Feudal French
Bill Low, 11.1, Ghaznavid
9) Bill Chriss, 9.4, Hellenistic Greek
10) Mike Byrne, 6.9, Ghaznavid
11) Steve Hollowell, 5.7, Italian Condotta
12) John Chriss, 4.6, Parthian
* Frank played in rounds 1-2. Dennis Shorthouse played in round 3 using L
Carthagenian and yes, I cleared this ahead of time.

25mm Theme (the "Sassanid Persian" Theme, sigh)
1) Ewan McNay, 38.9, Sassanid Persian
2) Frank Gilson, 25.9, Sassanid Persian
3) Tim Brown, 22.4, E Imperial Roman
4) Mike Kelly, 19.1, Sassanid Persian
5) Scott McDonald, 17.9, Sassanid Persian
6) Lenny Hermann, 16.8, Sassanid Persian
7) Dick Hurchanik, 16.7, E Imperial Roman
Charles Yaw, 14.6, Sassanid Persian
9) Craig Scott, 14.4, Sassanid Persian
10) Rob Turnball, 13.5, Commagene
11) Rich Kroupa, 11.1, L Imperial Roman
12) Jon Becker, 10.2, E Imperial Roman
13) Shawn Blevin, 6, L Imperial Roman
14) Jamie Gentry, 4, M Imperial Roman

15mm Theme
1) Eric Turner, 31.5, E Ostrogothic
2) Tim Grimmett, 24.4, Palmyran
3) Alex Vaeth, 22.9, Dacian
4) Mark Hissam, 21.5, L Imperial Roman
5) Kelly Wilkinson, 19, Sassanid Persian
6) Marc Cribbs, 18.4, Hunnic
7) Dan Woyke, 17, Bosporan
Steve Hollowell, 16.6, Sassanid Persian
9) Bill Chriss, 15.9, L Judean
10) Bill Low, 10.4, Bosporan
11) Tom Barkus, 9.3, E Visigothic
12) John Chriss, 5.8, John Chriss
13) Jim Bisigani, 5.7, L Imperial Roman
14) John Lloyd, 4.3, E Imperial Roman

15mm Mini
1) Ed Bernhard, 27.7, Hunnic
2) Jevon Garrett, 21.1, Tibetan
3) Michael Lewis, 14.6, Ghaznavid
4) Jon Becker, 10.5, Holy Roman Imperial
5) Steve Hollowell, 8.6, Italian Condotta
6) Craig Scott, 7.5, Palmyran
7) Bill Chriss, 6.2, Hellenistic Greek
Shawn Blevin, 6.1, Knights of St John

NICT (Top 18 played 5 rounds, rest played 2 rounds)
1) Derek Downs, 47.5, Khmer
2) Jon Cleaves, 43.9, Medieval Spanish
3) Ewan McNay, 43.6, Sassanid Persian
4) Kelly Wilkinson, 43.5, Burmese
5) Rob Turnball, 40.2, Alexandrian Imperial
6) Tim Brown, 39.1, New Assyrian
7) Dave Markowitz, 34.5, Medieval Spanish
Jake Kovel, 32.8, Medieval Irish
9) Mark Hissam, 32.7, L Imperial Roman
10) Frank Gilson, 32.4, Seleucid
11) Mike Mallamaci, 31.4, Nikephorian Byzantine
12) Scott McDonald, 31.3, Medieval Spanish
13) Alex Vaeth, 29.8, Mixtec
14) Todd Kaeser, 26.8, Berber
15) Rich Kroupa, 23.9, Sicilian Hohenstaufen
16) Sean Scott, 23.8, Swiss
17) Mike Kelly, 20, L Ottoman Turkish
1 John Murphy, 10.3, Free Company
19) Bill Low, 7.2, Mithradatic
20) Phil Gardocki, 6.6, Anglo-Irish
21) Marc Cribbs, 5.4, Romano-British
22) Jamie Gentry, 4.4, Scots Common
Dick Hurchanik, 4.4, L Ottoman Turkish
24) Charles Yaw, 3.6, Sassanid Persian
25) Dan Woyke, 3.4, Seleucid
26) Tim Grimmett, 3.1, Han Chinese

2005 NICT Qualifiers from Hcon: Yaw, Woyke, Becker, McNay, Gilson, Turner,
Grimmett, Bernhard, Downs, Cleaves, Wilkinson.

[Ewan McNay]

Holder, Scott wrote:

> 25mm Theme (the "Sassanid Persian" Theme, sigh)
> 1) Ewan McNay, 38.9, Sassanid Persian
> 2) Frank Gilson, 25.9, Sassanid Persian
> 3) Tim Brown, 22.4, E Imperial Roman
> 4) Mike Kelly, 19.1, Sassanid Persian
> 5) Scott McDonald, 17.9, Sassanid Persian
> 6) Lenny Hermann, 16.8, Sassanid Persian
> 7) Dick Hurchanik, 16.7, E Imperial Roman
> Charles Yaw, 14.6, Sassanid Persian
> 9) Craig Scott, 14.4, Sassanid Persian
> 10) Rob Turnball, 13.5, Commagene

Rob also gets the 'Screwed by dice' award, at least from me. Charge
in SHC subgeneral against EHC, looking good - die in a catastrophe.
Oops. OK, next bound, charge in SHC CinC against more EHC. You
guessed it, die in a second catastrophe.

> 11) Rich Kroupa, 11.1, L Imperial Roman
> 12) Jon Becker, 10.2, E Imperial Roman
> 13) Shawn Blevin, 6, L Imperial Roman
> 14) Jamie Gentry, 4, M Imperial Roman

Seems like Tim should have received a best Roman award, too. He must
have been really tired of fighting Sassanids!

> NICT (Top 18 played 5 rounds, rest played 2 rounds)
> 1) Derek Downs, 47.5, Khmer
> 2) Jon Cleaves, 43.9, Medieval Spanish
> 3) Ewan McNay, 43.6, Sassanid Persian
> 4) Kelly Wilkinson, 43.5, Burmese
> 5) Rob Turnball, 40.2, Alexandrian Imperial
> 6) Tim Brown, 39.1, New Assyrian
> 7) Dave Markowitz, 34.5, Medieval Spanish
> Jake Kovel, 32.8, Medieval Irish

That's an impressive performance from the Irish. And the Assyrians,
really, but especially the Irish .

[Mike Bard]

> Sportsman: Mike Byrne
> Other Sportsman nominees: Charles Yaw, Jamie Gentry, Lenny Hermann, Mike
Bard, Tim Grimmett.

[blush] Than you!

> Camps:
> Mike Mallamaci, 25mm for his Nikephorian Byzantines
> Charles Yaw, 25mm for his Sassanid Persians
> John Becker, 15mm for his Holy Roman Imperial and 25mm for his EIR
> Mike Bard, 25mm for his Syracusans (I'd seen it at Cold Wars as well).

Sadly, my camp isn't finished yet... I'm going to rebase the sacrifice and
the Lost Altar of the Up Three on single wooden bases with bevelled edges,
and replace the temporary fill in with single element Spartan and Athenian
camps (Spartan Camp: fire, sleeping Spartans; Athenian Camp: Hetairi and
drunken hoplites...)

> Armies:
> Rich Kroupa, 25mm LIR AND 25mm Sicilian Hohenstaufen
> Mike Mallamaci, 25mm Nikephorian Byzantine
> Todd Kaeser, 25mm Alexander Imperial (Rob Turnball's army)
> Bill Chriss, 15mm Hellenistic Greek
> Charles Yaw, 25mm Sassanid Persian
> Mike Bard, 25mm Syracusan
> Tim Brown, New Assyrian

Again thank you.

Note: I have (sort of) got over my annoyance with the NASAMW's (or
whoever's) painting contest which gave me the choice of either entering the
painting contest, OR playing in the open on Saturday. Fortunately for next
year I should have enough hoplites painted that I can start the Grand
Rotation (minimum size for contest Athenian Army in 2005, minimum size for
contest Spartan Army in 2006, minimum size for contest Syracusan army for
2007, minimum size for contest pre-424BCE Spartan army for 2008, etc. I
won't use the same figurse of course...).

> Sponsors:
> Four Horsemen Enterprises
> Silver Eagle
> Old Glory
> Iron Wind
> Molniya
> Age Of Glory

One small embarassment I had was the lack of pretty Warrior tropheys
compared to all the pretty painted figure tropheys for DBM/DBA. If somebody
can get me the figures, and some instructions as to how to paint them
historically accurately, I have no problem with painting figures for OUR
pretty tropheys!

> 25mm Open
> 1) Charles Yaw, 27, Sassanid Persian
> 2) Dick Hurchanik, 18, L Ottoman Turk
> 3) Mike Bard, 16.2, Syracusan
> 4) Ty Downs, 13.1, L Hungarian
> 5) Ed Kollmer, 8.9, Nikephorian Byzantine
> 6) Josh Downs, 4.9, L Teutonic Knight

I'm still relearning the game and now know (I think) what to do. Against
SHK armies have blocks of hoplites wit a second punch unit (hoplites,
barbarians) for the second bound when the knights are pinned; against
elephant armies hide the cavalry in the back and keep an eye for an
opportunity to dash along one flank and go camp hunting (and make sure the
put the artillery on the CORRECT side!); and REMEMBER HOW BRUSH WORKS!! (It
is NOT forest!). :)

> 25mm Theme (the "Sassanid Persian" Theme, sigh)
> 1) Ewan McNay, 38.9, Sassanid Persian

Congratulations Ewan. Glad I could help out on the figure side.

Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy

[joncleaves]

>
>Note: I have (sort of) got over my annoyance with the NASAMW's (or
>whoever's) painting contest which gave me the choice of either entering the
>painting contest, OR playing in the open on Saturday.>>

For Warrior, there *will* be a prize for best army and best camp next year
starting with Cold Wars and you won't have to choose between entering it and
playing it. That was a screw-up but it *will* be fixed. the best painted army
judge will walk through games in progress to make his determination. I am sorry
that NASAMW got this fouled up this year, but I may not have been as clear as I
needed to be to get what we wanted.


>One small embarassment I had was the lack of pretty Warrior tropheys
>compared to all the pretty painted figure tropheys for DBM/DBA.>>

Actually Warrior had those as well. Mike, the night we announced awards, there
were still tourneys with finals the next day.  Also, having both kinds of prizes
at home, the painted figure ones are very nice, but damned hard to keep from
getting smashed when transporting moving or having in a day-to-day household.
having said that, we need to canvass the players again as to what they want.
The plaques with the picture on them were also very nice.

If somebody
>can get me the figures, and some instructions as to how to paint them
>historically accurately, I have no problem with painting figures for OUR
>pretty tropheys!>>

Now *that* might make one change his mind..lol How about a 90mm fig? lol

J

[Doug]

>Spartan Camp: fire, sleeping Spartans

Are we really ready for the first wargame depiction of a homosexual kiss?

[Bill Chriss]

> >Spartan Camp: fire, sleeping Spartans
>
> Are we really ready for the first wargame depiction of a homosexual kiss?
>


I knew that in some context, sooner or later, this was bound to come up.
All the business about ancient Greek homosexuality is overdone. It was no
more prevalent there than in any other ancient Mediterranean civilization,
and the original texts concerning mentorship (love) of young men in the
gymnasia by elders are: 1. not definitive, as they are not explicit and
could be interpreted platonically (no pun intended). E.g., most people who
read in the Bible that David loved Jonathan, do not jump to the conclusion
that this was somehow erotic. Why do we assume otherwise when reading very
similar statements that Alexander "loved" Hephaeston? 2. limited to Sparta
and to the upper effete classes in Athens. Homosexuality was considered
unusual (or even Persian or Oriental) everywhere else in Greece, including
among the middle and lower classes in Athens, and particularly in the
countryside.


Greek

[Mike Bard]

> Actually Warrior had those as well. Mike, the night we announced awards,
there were still tourneys with finals the next day. Also, having both kinds
of prizes at home, the painted figure ones are very nice, but damned hard to
keep from getting smashed when transporting moving or having in a day-to-day
household. having said that, we need to canvass the players again as to
what they want. The plaques with the picture on them were also very nice.
>
> If somebody
> >can get me the figures, and some instructions as to how to paint them
> >historically accurately, I have no problem with painting figures for OUR
> >pretty tropheys!>>
>
> Now *that* might make one change his mind..lol How about a 90mm fig? lol

I have no problem with painting 90mm figures. As it is, I'm still trying to
find a large scale hoplite that I like to test the powdered bronze method of
bronze armour. I've got one, but the shield is too small and I haven't had
any luck figuring out how to replace it.

Anyway, if you need somebody, consider me volunteered.

Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy