Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Recruit Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 19

Gentlemen,

In the latest version of the NASAMW Lists, under List 77: Late
Imperial Romans (Warm) A.D. 307-425 it lists the following:

Legionarii "Reg D" MI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 16-96
Extra to give HTW to Legionarii @1 pt all/none
Extra to give D to Legionarii @1 pt any
Archers integral to Legionarii "Reg D" MI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-32
Legionary Lanciarii "Reg D" LI or LMI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 0-24
Legionary Equites Lanciarii or Promoti "Reg D" LC, JLS, Sh @7 pts 0-16
Legionary Skirmishers, "Reg D" LI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-6
CB, Sh @3 pts 0-6
S, Sh 8 3 pts 0-6
SS, Sh @3 pts 0-6
JLS, D, Sh @4 pts 0-6

Yet in the notes it states:

A typical legion should be 24 Legionarii, or 16 Legionarii and 8
integral archers, 6 Lanciarii or Skirmishers, and, optionally, 4
mounted Lanciarii/Promoti.

My questions are:
1) Am I limited to 6 Legionary Skirmishers total, regardless of the
number of legions in the army or may each legion have up to 6
Legionary Skirmishers as the notes seem to indicate?
2) Or should I have a unit of Legionary Lanciarii based as LI with
detachments of 6 Lanciarii regularly OPCON'd to my 3 legions?
3) I assume that the Lanciarii and Legionary Skirmishers count
against the 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct assumption?
4) But I am also assuming that the 4 mounted Lanciarii/Promoti do not
count against the same 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct
assumption?

Time is critical, as I am itching to rebase my newly purchased EIR
army and start painting any missing figures.

Thanks in advance.

Bill Ballinger
President, Bill's Bases
"Quality Magnetic Wargame Bases"
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Eric Turner

1. You are limited to 8 figures because 6 would make an odd number of
elements. You are allowed to round up to an even number of elements.
Note that Skirmishers are on the same LINE so you can combined B, CB,
SS, S, JLS together in a unit, if you combined you are limited to 6.

1. The note is not to be believed.

2. is personal. If you like detachment, then OK.

3. "The number of legionarii may never exceed 96, even if integral
archers are used" This only effects the MI Legionarii and Archers, not
Lanciarii and Sk.

4. No

IMO, run your Legions in 16 figures of HTW with 8 bowmen. This gives you
the greatest flexibility. I have run this army for years. It is better
in 25mm than 15mm.

Eric Turner

H 804-747-1832
W 804-225-2832

Invincibility is a matter of self-defense;
vulnerability is simply a matter of having gaps.

jimbo197 wrote:

> Gentlemen,
>
> In the latest version of the NASAMW Lists, under List 77: Late
> Imperial Romans (Warm) A.D. 307-425 it lists the following:
>
> Legionarii "Reg D" MI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 16-96
> Extra to give HTW to Legionarii @1 pt all/none
> Extra to give D to Legionarii @1 pt any
> Archers integral to Legionarii "Reg D" MI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-32
> Legionary Lanciarii "Reg D" LI or LMI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 0-24
> Legionary Equites Lanciarii or Promoti "Reg D" LC, JLS, Sh @7 pts 0-16
>
> Legionary Skirmishers, "Reg D" LI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> CB, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> S, Sh 8 3 pts 0-6
> SS, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> JLS, D, Sh @4 pts 0-6
>
> Yet in the notes it states:
>
> A typical legion should be 24 Legionarii, or 16 Legionarii and 8
> integral archers, 6 Lanciarii or Skirmishers, and, optionally, 4
> mounted Lanciarii/Promoti.
>
> My questions are:
> 1) Am I limited to 6 Legionary Skirmishers total, regardless of the
> number of legions in the army or may each legion have up to 6
> Legionary Skirmishers as the notes seem to indicate?
> 2) Or should I have a unit of Legionary Lanciarii based as LI with
> detachments of 6 Lanciarii regularly OPCON'd to my 3 legions?
> 3) I assume that the Lanciarii and Legionary Skirmishers count
> against the 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct assumption?
> 4) But I am also assuming that the 4 mounted Lanciarii/Promoti do not
> count against the same 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct
> assumption?
>
> Time is critical, as I am itching to rebase my newly purchased EIR
> army and start painting any missing figures.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill Ballinger
> President, Bill's Bases
> "Quality Magnetic Wargame Bases"
> Website: http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/g/a/gamegod/Index.html
>
>
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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

<<Note that Skirmishers are on the same LINE so you can combined B, CB, SS, S,
JLS together in a unit, if you combined you are limited to 6.>>

I am not the expert, but I think that is 6 of each weapon type.

Eric Turner

Sorry if I didn't make this clear, but your limit is for each weapon
type, 6 or 8 bowmen, 6 or 8 slingers, etc. So if brought all the
skirmishers you could, you would have 30 to 40 figures. Ex. One unit of
6 Li,Jls,D,sh in front of 6 Li, B, Sh. Unit 2 would be 6 Li, S, Sh in
front of 6 Li, Cb, Sh. And lastly the SS in a unit. OR you could have 5
units of 8 figures with only one weapon type in a unit. There are allot
of combinations possible.

et

Eric turner wrote:

> 1. You are limited to 8 figures because 6 would make an odd number of
>
> elements. You are allowed to round up to an even number of elements.
> Note that Skirmishers are on the same LINE so you can combined B, CB,
> SS, S, JLS together in a unit, if you combined you are limited to 6.
>
> 1. The note is not to be believed.
>
> 2. is personal. If you like detachment, then OK.
>
> 3. "The number of legionarii may never exceed 96, even if integral
> archers are used" This only effects the MI Legionarii and Archers,
> not
> Lanciarii and Sk.
>
> 4. No
>
> IMO, run your Legions in 16 figures of HTW with 8 bowmen. This gives
> you
> the greatest flexibility. I have run this army for years. It is better
>
> in 25mm than 15mm.
>
> Eric Turner
>
> H 804-747-1832
> W 804-225-2832
>
> Invincibility is a matter of self-defense;
> vulnerability is simply a matter of having gaps.
>
>
> jimbo197 wrote:
>
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > In the latest version of the NASAMW Lists, under List 77: Late
> > Imperial Romans (Warm) A.D. 307-425 it lists the following:
> >
> > Legionarii "Reg D" MI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 16-96
> > Extra to give HTW to Legionarii @1 pt all/none
> > Extra to give D to Legionarii @1 pt any
> > Archers integral to Legionarii "Reg D" MI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-32
> > Legionary Lanciarii "Reg D" LI or LMI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 0-24
> > Legionary Equites Lanciarii or Promoti "Reg D" LC, JLS, Sh @7 pts
> 0-16
> >
> > Legionary Skirmishers, "Reg D" LI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> > CB, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> > S, Sh 8 3 pts 0-6
> > SS, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> > JLS, D, Sh @4 pts 0-6
> >
> > Yet in the notes it states:
> >
> > A typical legion should be 24 Legionarii, or 16 Legionarii and 8
> > integral archers, 6 Lanciarii or Skirmishers, and, optionally, 4
> > mounted Lanciarii/Promoti.
> >
> > My questions are:
> > 1) Am I limited to 6 Legionary Skirmishers total, regardless of the
> > number of legions in the army or may each legion have up to 6
> > Legionary Skirmishers as the notes seem to indicate?
> > 2) Or should I have a unit of Legionary Lanciarii based as LI with
> > detachments of 6 Lanciarii regularly OPCON'd to my 3 legions?
> > 3) I assume that the Lanciarii and Legionary Skirmishers count
> > against the 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct assumption?
> > 4) But I am also assuming that the 4 mounted Lanciarii/Promoti do
> not
> > count against the same 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct
> > assumption?
> >
> > Time is critical, as I am itching to rebase my newly purchased EIR
> > army and start painting any missing figures.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Bill Ballinger
> > President, Bill's Bases
> > "Quality Magnetic Wargame Bases"
> > Website:
> http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/g/a/gamegod/Index.html
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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

> <<Sorry if I didn't make this clear, but your limit is for each weapon
> type, 6 or 8 bowmen, 6 or 8 slingers, etc. So if brought all the
> skirmishers you could, you would have 30 to 40 figures. Ex. One unit of
> 6 Li,Jls,D,sh in front of 6 Li, B, Sh. Unit 2 would be 6 Li, S, Sh in
> front of 6 Li, Cb, Sh. And lastly the SS in a unit. OR you could have 5
> units of 8 figures with only one weapon type in a unit. There are allot
> of combinations possible.>>

yes, Eric and I agree on all of that.

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scott holder

That is correct.

>>> JonCleaves@... 4/9/02 9:05:00 PM >>>
<<Note that Skirmishers are on the same LINE so you can combined B, CB,
SS, S, JLS together in a unit, if you combined you are limited to 6.>>

I am not the expert, but I think that is 6 of each weapon type.

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scott holder

I goofed earlier on the "6 is correct". I mean, it is correct but you
get an odd number of elements (the NASAMW LIR list wasn't vetted as well
as it should have been). Therefore, if you want 8 figures, ie 4
elements, then no one will squawk.

>>> etx2@... 4/9/02 10:34:00 PM >>>
Sorry if I didn't make this clear, but your limit is for each weapon
type, 6 or 8 bowmen, 6 or 8 slingers, etc. So if brought all the
skirmishers you could, you would have 30 to 40 figures. Ex. One unit of
6 Li,Jls,D,sh in front of 6 Li, B, Sh. Unit 2 would be 6 Li, S, Sh in
front of 6 Li, Cb, Sh. And lastly the SS in a unit. OR you could have 5
units of 8 figures with only one weapon type in a unit. There are allot
of combinations possible.

et

Eric turner wrote:

> 1. You are limited to 8 figures because 6 would make an odd number of
>
> elements. You are allowed to round up to an even number of elements.
> Note that Skirmishers are on the same LINE so you can combined B, CB,
> SS, S, JLS together in a unit, if you combined you are limited to 6.
>
> 1. The note is not to be believed.
>
> 2. is personal. If you like detachment, then OK.
>
> 3. "The number of legionarii may never exceed 96, even if integral
> archers are used" This only effects the MI Legionarii and Archers,
> not
> Lanciarii and Sk.
>
> 4. No
>
> IMO, run your Legions in 16 figures of HTW with 8 bowmen. This gives
> you
> the greatest flexibility. I have run this army for years. It is better
>
> in 25mm than 15mm.
>
> Eric Turner
>
> H 804-747-1832
> W 804-225-2832
>
> Invincibility is a matter of self-defense;
> vulnerability is simply a matter of having gaps.
>
>
> jimbo197 wrote:
>
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > In the latest version of the NASAMW Lists, under List 77: Late
> > Imperial Romans (Warm) A.D. 307-425 it lists the following:
> >
> > Legionarii "Reg D" MI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 16-96
> > Extra to give HTW to Legionarii @1 pt all/none
> > Extra to give D to Legionarii @1 pt any
> > Archers integral to Legionarii "Reg D" MI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-32
> > Legionary Lanciarii "Reg D" LI or LMI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 0-24
> > Legionary Equites Lanciarii or Promoti "Reg D" LC, JLS, Sh @7 pts
> 0-16
> >
> > Legionary Skirmishers, "Reg D" LI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> > CB, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> > S, Sh 8 3 pts 0-6
> > SS, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> > JLS, D, Sh @4 pts 0-6
> >
> > Yet in the notes it states:
> >
> > A typical legion should be 24 Legionarii, or 16 Legionarii and 8
> > integral archers, 6 Lanciarii or Skirmishers, and, optionally, 4
> > mounted Lanciarii/Promoti.
> >
> > My questions are:
> > 1) Am I limited to 6 Legionary Skirmishers total, regardless of the
> > number of legions in the army or may each legion have up to 6
> > Legionary Skirmishers as the notes seem to indicate?
> > 2) Or should I have a unit of Legionary Lanciarii based as LI with
> > detachments of 6 Lanciarii regularly OPCON'd to my 3 legions?
> > 3) I assume that the Lanciarii and Legionary Skirmishers count
> > against the 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct assumption?
> > 4) But I am also assuming that the 4 mounted Lanciarii/Promoti do
> not
> > count against the same 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct
> > assumption?
> >
> > Time is critical, as I am itching to rebase my newly purchased EIR
> > army and start painting any missing figures.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Bill Ballinger
> > President, Bill's Bases
> > "Quality Magnetic Wargame Bases"
> > Website:
> http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/g/a/gamegod/Index.html
> >
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Recruit Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 105

Bill,

As I understand it, the 96 figure limit is applied only to the Legionarii.

The Skirmisers are limited to each legion, not the army.

The Legionarii Lanciarii are sub-units of the legion.

Sub-unit figures do not count against the Legionarii total.

The Equites Lanciarii or Promoti do not count against the 96 figure total.

Scott Turner

At 8:44 PM +0000 4/9/02, jimbo197 wrote:
>Gentlemen,
>
>In the latest version of the NASAMW Lists, under List 77: Late
>Imperial Romans (Warm) A.D. 307-425 it lists the following:
>
>Legionarii "Reg D" MI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 16-96
>Extra to give HTW to Legionarii @1 pt all/none
>Extra to give D to Legionarii @1 pt any
>Archers integral to Legionarii "Reg D" MI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-32
>Legionary Lanciarii "Reg D" LI or LMI, JLS, Sh @3 pts 0-24
>Legionary Equites Lanciarii or Promoti "Reg D" LC, JLS, Sh @7 pts 0-16
>Legionary Skirmishers, "Reg D" LI, B, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> CB, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> S, Sh 8 3 pts 0-6
> SS, Sh @3 pts 0-6
> JLS, D, Sh @4 pts 0-6
>
>Yet in the notes it states:
>
>A typical legion should be 24 Legionarii, or 16 Legionarii and 8
>integral archers, 6 Lanciarii or Skirmishers, and, optionally, 4
>mounted Lanciarii/Promoti.
>
>My questions are:
>1) Am I limited to 6 Legionary Skirmishers total, regardless of the
>number of legions in the army or may each legion have up to 6
>Legionary Skirmishers as the notes seem to indicate?
>2) Or should I have a unit of Legionary Lanciarii based as LI with
>detachments of 6 Lanciarii regularly OPCON'd to my 3 legions?
>3) I assume that the Lanciarii and Legionary Skirmishers count
>against the 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct assumption?
>4) But I am also assuming that the 4 mounted Lanciarii/Promoti do not
>count against the same 96 figure Legionary maximum. Correct
>assumption?
>
>Time is critical, as I am itching to rebase my newly purchased EIR
>army and start painting any missing figures.

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

I think that is all correct, Scott, except that the note only applies to a
'typical' legion and is not a hard and fast limit as I understand it. There
were not many 'typical' legions in that period....