Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Patrick Byrne]

A lot of talk has been going on about running your army in big lines being
historical. Could FHE publish a book on some standard army formations.
This will give us non-historical people some perspective of what you people
know.

I would do the Osprey books, but I don't want a huge, expensive library of
all the Osprey books, when a single or 5 book line could summarize pretty
easily.
-PB

Awesome idea for us rookies!
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick [mailto:cuan@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:58 PM
To: Warrior Rules
Subject: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies


A lot of talk has been going on about running your army in big lines being
historical. Could FHE publish a book on some standard army formations.
This will give us non-historical people some perspective of what you
people
know.

I would do the Osprey books, but I don't want a huge, expensive library of
all the Osprey books, when a single or 5 book line could summarize pretty
easily.
-PB


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It's not that easy. Look in any Carthaginian illustrated source, like Peter
Connolly's "Hannibal and the Enemies of Rome", and you will see that
Hannibal had _no_ "standard army formation". Each illustrated battle line
looks totally different from any other. He set up according to the enemy,
the terrain....almost like a wargame general!
Using a "standard army formation" will wet you up to defeat by the oponent
who knows what you are going to do. Imagine a boxing match against someone
who always throws a left hook.

John the OFM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Becker [mailto:jbecker7@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:40 PM
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
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> Awesome idea for us rookies!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick [mailto:cuan@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:58 PM
> To: Warrior Rules
> Subject: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
>
>
> A lot of talk has been going on about running your army in big
> lines being
> historical. Could FHE publish a book on some standard army formations.
> This will give us non-historical people some perspective of what you
> people
> know.
>
> I would do the Osprey books, but I don't want a huge, expensive
> library of
> all the Osprey books, when a single or 5 book line could
> summarize pretty
> easily.
> -PB
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I won't write a book, but here are a few hints to
start off. Mind you, I'm a middle of the pack player,
and I proudly proclaim that it is mainly because dice
are involved :)

1. Keep close order in line with 2 element gap
between units. Have units with strong charge punch
set back in these gaps. Let enemy hit the close
order, then charge in next bound with your punch
troops. Examples: 2E Norman IrrgA HC L/sh shock
troops between 6E IrrgC MI LTS/sh; 4E IrrgB LMI
J/LTS/sh Illyrians between 6E RgC HI LTS/sh hoplites.

2. Use LMI B or S exclusively and rush forward with
forcemarched LI on flanks to pin enemy mounted
(stand/test/die in place). LMI rush forward in center
to pin enemy units near own board edge and try to get
Irr LMI J/sh to charge same unit in consecutive
bounds. 2x 4E LMI J/sh charge over two bounds into one
6E RgC HI J/sh unit.

3. Mount every swinging d_ck on Med. Veitnamese
elephants and put on flanks opposite enemy mounted and
hope RgD crap foot will hold long enough for the
elephant to push enemy mounted off the table.

4. Flank terrain to close down board (with obligatory
ambush LI) if running an army like hoplites. Let
enemy move to you--no choice with close order--and
leave no gaps in line.

5. Running all LI and HC armies with B. Push a
couple of LI units forward to halt enemy advance, use
B to shoot a few select units tired, then charge in
with reserve HC if J or L.

6. Using Reg shooting troops. Manuver, pin, manuver,
shoot, manuver, shoot, manuver pin. Rince and repeat.
Terrain helping defense like hills and rivers is a
must. Learn the art of boulders and shifting fronts.

The above is not ment as anything close to what you
asked for, but it is something the list members can
now pick apart and/or expand/expound upon. A Warrior
Strategakon would be nice, but who'd write it? Ewan,
I don't think your smart enough to write it....ha! :)

(now lets see if he takes the bait :)

boyd
--- Jonathan Becker <jbecker7@...> wrote:
> Awesome idea for us rookies!


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You have to, as John said below, know your forces
limitation and your enemies weaknesses in order to do
well. Also use of terrain, use of time, and basic
dice rolling skills are helpful. Knowing your
strengths and the enemies strengths is useful, but
knowing weaknesses is more useful. As I'm sure some
chinaman once said "strength is weakness is strength".

MI B are just waiting to die. Give them a JLS and put
them on a hill, now no one will go near them.
Elephants are strong so give them LMI to worry about.
HC L impact very well, so shoot them first. HI are
solid so park LI in front to stall movement.

boyd

--- John Carroll <johncarroll453@...> wrote:
> It's not that easy. Look in any Carthaginian
> illustrated source, like Peter
> Connolly's "Hannibal and the Enemies of Rome", and
> you will see that
> Hannibal had _no_ "standard army formation". Each
> illustrated battle line
> looks totally different from any other. He set up
> according to the enemy,
> the terrain....almost like a wargame general!
> Using a "standard army formation" will wet you up to
> defeat by the oponent
> who knows what you are going to do. Imagine a
> boxing match against someone
> who always throws a left hook.
>
> John the OFM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan Becker [mailto:jbecker7@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:40 PM
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
> >
> >
> > Awesome idea for us rookies!
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Patrick [mailto:cuan@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:58 PM
> > To: Warrior Rules
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
> >
> >
> > A lot of talk has been going on about running
> your army in big
> > lines being
> > historical. Could FHE publish a book on some
> standard army formations.
> > This will give us non-historical people some
> perspective of what you
> > people
> > know.
> >
> > I would do the Osprey books, but I don't want a
> huge, expensive
> > library of
> > all the Osprey books, when a single or 5 book
> line could
> > summarize pretty
> > easily.
> > -PB
> >
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[Patrick Byrne]

Not to say that these are the hard and fast ways to play, just giving ideas
to those of us as to how the ForeGenerals assembled armies. I would like to
see it Warrior based as well, mentioning formation by elements, not men.

For your Hannibal example, I would show too army set-ups that he used, that
would also show his enemy set-ups so those are covered as well.

Like you, I would love to play against an opponent that I knew there every
move, but that would not preclude me from buying the book(s), and reviewing
as an overview. And maybe it would provide some insight about tactics the
Romans used that could also go for the 100yr english that was never used.

Lot of ways such a resourch could be utilized, I just thought it would be
good idea.
-PB

> From: "John Carroll" <johncarroll453@...>
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:49:25 -0400
> To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
>
> It's not that easy. Look in any Carthaginian illustrated source, like Peter
> Connolly's "Hannibal and the Enemies of Rome", and you will see that
> Hannibal had _no_ "standard army formation". Each illustrated battle line
> looks totally different from any other. He set up according to the enemy,
> the terrain....almost like a wargame general!
> Using a "standard army formation" will wet you up to defeat by the oponent
> who knows what you are going to do. Imagine a boxing match against someone
> who always throws a left hook.
>
> John the OFM
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonathan Becker [mailto:jbecker7@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:40 PM
>> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
>>
>>
>> Awesome idea for us rookies!
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Patrick [mailto:cuan@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:58 PM
>> To: Warrior Rules
>> Subject: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
>>
>>
>> A lot of talk has been going on about running your army in big
>> lines being
>> historical. Could FHE publish a book on some standard army formations.
>> This will give us non-historical people some perspective of what you
>> people
>> know.
>>
>> I would do the Osprey books, but I don't want a huge, expensive
>> library of
>> all the Osprey books, when a single or 5 book line could
>> summarize pretty
>> easily.
>> -PB
>>
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[Greg Regets]

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies


Not to say that these are the hard and fast ways to play, just giving ideas
to those of us as to how the ForeGenerals assembled armies. I would like to
see it Warrior based as well, mentioning formation by elements, not men.

For your Hannibal example, I would show too army set-ups that he used, that
would also show his enemy set-ups so those are covered as well.

Like you, I would love to play against an opponent that I knew there every
move, but that would not preclude me from buying the book(s), and reviewing
as an overview. And maybe it would provide some insight about tactics the
Romans used that could also go for the 100yr english that was never used.

Lot of ways such a resourch could be utilized, I just thought it would be
good idea.
-PB

> From: "John Carroll" <johncarroll453@...>
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:49:25 -0400
> To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
>
> It's not that easy. Look in any Carthaginian illustrated source, like Peter
> Connolly's "Hannibal and the Enemies of Rome", and you will see that
> Hannibal had _no_ "standard army formation". Each illustrated battle line
> looks totally different from any other. He set up according to the enemy,
> the terrain....almost like a wargame general!
> Using a "standard army formation" will wet you up to defeat by the oponent
> who knows what you are going to do. Imagine a boxing match against someone
> who always throws a left hook.
>
> John the OFM
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonathan Becker [mailto:jbecker7@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:40 PM
>> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
>>
>>
>> Awesome idea for us rookies!
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Patrick [mailto:cuan@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:58 PM
>> To: Warrior Rules
>> Subject: [WarriorRules] HIST Armies
>>
>>
>> A lot of talk has been going on about running your army in big
>> lines being
>> historical. Could FHE publish a book on some standard army formations.
>> This will give us non-historical people some perspective of what you
>> people
>> know.
>>
>> I would do the Osprey books, but I don't want a huge, expensive
>> library of
>> all the Osprey books, when a single or 5 book line could
>> summarize pretty
>> easily.
>> -PB
>>
>>
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