Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

To add to Scott's excellent list. Gates of Fire by Steven Pressfield which is an
excellent evocation of the Spartans and Thermopylae.
Paul


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[Kelly Wilkinson]

A side bar to Pauls comment on the Spartans: The History Channel did a 2 video
set on the Rise and Fall of the Spartans. It uses Steven Pressfield as a source
and has him as a guest speaker in several parts! It's well worth the $50.00
purchase price! I use it in my World History enrichment classes in middle school
and the kids seem to enjoy it as well, especially the Persian Wars piece!!
Kelly
Paul A Marsh <PAUL.JACQ@...> wrote:To add to Scott's excellent list.
Gates of Fire by Steven Pressfield which is an excellent evocation of the
Spartans and Thermopylae.
Paul


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[Mark Stone]

If you have any interest in Vikings, Pre-Feudal Scots, or Normans, I heartily
recommend Dorothy Dunnett's "King Hereafter", a historical novel based on the
_real_ MacBeth (unlike that silly pro-English play written by that Shakespear
hack).

Probably the finest single historical novel I've read, though all of Ms.
Dunnett's historical novels are excellent.


-Mark Stone

[scott holder]

If you have any interest in Vikings, Pre-Feudal Scots, or Normans, I heartily
recommend Dorothy Dunnett's "King Hereafter", a historical novel based on the_
real_ MacBeth (unlike that silly pro-English play written by that Shakespear h
ack). Probably the finest single historical novel I've read, though all of Ms.
Dunnett's historical novels are excellent.

>Kewl. She's now on my list. I was going to say that Julian was my favorite
historical novel but I doubt that feeling would be shared by many others, name
ly because sections of the book are really philosophical treaties about early
christianity written from the point of view of a pagan. I'd imagine said sect
ions might offend some. Since winners write the histories/commentaries/plays
(see aforementioned Shakespeare hack), that's why Julian got his moniker, Apos
tate.

>Sharan Kay Penman's Sunne in Splendour finishes a close second. She's writte
n a series of historical novels based around the time of Steven and Matilda th
at I've got to read one of these days.

>Also, from the mystery standpoint, Steven Saylor has written a slew of histor
ical mysteries based on a private detective working in Rome. Sounds dumb but
his are the best books of this genre (and it's a huge sub-genre of mysteries t
hese days). It's based in the late Republic and if nothing else, you feel lik
e you're living in the Rome of that era. Of course I'd like to live in the Ro
me of *this* era but that's another story:):)

>I realize that this discussion is somewhat tangental to Warrior the definitiv
e ancient/medieval wargaming system but I feel that much of what colors our pe
rception of armies can be based/influenced by what we read, fiction or non-fic
tion, about various periods. Again, I sometimes think that as gamers we are o
ften identified with the armies we play and I find it interesting to see what
drives that.

scott

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If you have any interest in Vikings, Pre-Feudal Scots, or Normans, I
heartily
recommend Dorothy Dunnett's "King Hereafter", a historical novel based on
the_
real_ MacBeth (unlike that silly pro-English play written by that Shakespear
h
ack). Probably the finest single historical novel I've read, though all of
Ms.
Dunnett's historical novels are excellent.

>Kewl. She's now on my list. I was going to say that Julian was my
favorite
historical novel but I doubt that feeling would be shared by many others,
name
ly because sections of the book are really philosophical treaties about
early
christianity written from the point of view of a pagan. I'd imagine said
sect
ions might offend some. Since winners write the
histories/commentaries/plays
(see aforementioned Shakespeare hack), that's why Julian got his moniker,
Apos
tate.
>>


Thanks for the heads up on RIII. I will have to check it out.
"Julian" is also one of my faviorites, as is Vidal's "Lincoln" and "Burr". I
still think Vidal is an asshole, which never got in the way of great writers
before. :>)
Anyway, 'tis the season, as a very similar thread is running on the WABlist.
I recommend the following "modern man gets zapped into ancient (or 30YW)
history" genre books, all in print and available at Barnes and Noble:
"Lest Darkness Fall", by L Sprague deCamp. The classic, about a
professor/engineer who gets zapped into Belisarius' Italy. Luckily he has
read Procopius.....
The Paratime series by H Beam Piper, about an alternate universe where a
Pennsylvania State Trooper gets zapped into an alternate universe, with 30
Years War technology in central Pennsylvania. It was a minor cult clasic
when I was at Penn State.
"1632" by Eric Flint. (As phony a name as Dirk Pitt, IMHO) A whole town in
West Virginia gets zapped into Thuringia in 1632. Evil Catholics, Good Guy
Gustavus Adolphus. A hymn to the NRA and 2nd Ammendment. Not to be taken
seriously, but I hope there's a sequel.

John the OFM

[scott holder]

"Lest Darkness Fall", by L Sprague deCamp. The classic, about a
professor/engineer who gets zapped into Belisarius' Italy. Luckily he has
read Procopius.....
The Paratime series by H Beam Piper, about an alternate universe where a
Pennsylvania State Trooper gets zapped into an alternate universe, with 30
Years War technology in central Pennsylvania. It was a minor cult clasic
when I was at Penn State.
"1632" by Eric Flint. (As phony a name as Dirk Pitt, IMHO) A whole town in
West Virginia gets zapped into Thuringia in 1632. Evil Catholics, Good Guy
Gustavus Adolphus. A hymn to the NRA and 2nd Ammendment. Not to be taken
seriously, but I hope there's a sequel.

>These sound hilarious. I'll give deCamp another try. I seem to be the only
scifi/fantasy fan who's never been able to get thru one of his books.