Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Howdy All,

Reference arty in the Imperial Era.

I believe Caesar references numbers and organization, as does
Vegetius for later dates. As for battlefield deployment and use see
Arrian. He also describes foot and horse archery over infantry in
depth.

Note..the military guys and gals out there should read Arrian if only
for professional development. LBS aside, it's a great example of
prepping the battlefield, channeling the kill zone, and getting an
opponent into a spot where you can hammer them upon themselves. The
psychological impact would have been awesome. It just takes a little
visualization of what Arrian is describing.

I'm sure there is a lot of difficulty trying to make things too
historically accurate in a game that encompasses such span in time.
We probably all have our niches in history that we enjoy and would
really like to see modeled correctly…. My pet peeve is
Cataphracts vs Legionaries – historically, the infantry beats the
cavalry hands down in HTH (Dio, Cassius, et al) to the point where
the Cat Commanders (from Pathians to Sassinids) refused to charge
Roman infantry. It seems they failed to intimidate the grunts to the
point where they wanted to get out of the way when charged. This was
not normal for the eastern societies/nobility, whose infantry were
considered dregs. The Roman infantry would, at any opportunity,
close with and attack the cataphracts with very good success. But..I
do realize to change this in the game system may seriously affect the
play balance of other game periods and tactical relationships. I
don't know what the proper balance would be.

Just .02 from a warrior newbie.

A good site for reference material is
www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook.html
It contains direct translations from the original manuscripts. It
contains additional resources from Kelts to Crusaders. Also on the
DBA website (ok, shout HERETIC! now) is a link to a bunch of
historical sources.

Regards,
Fred

PS: "Hammering them upon themselves". A Fredism ala the
Yogi Berra
School of Thought. Lead cavalry ranks halt due to solid infantry
obstacle; follow-on ranks press forward to create a Cluster F.
Infantry shouts Hoooius Rahius and charges the cavalry CF.

[Tim Brown]

"Infantry shouts Hoooius Rahius and charges the cavalry CF."

Very Nice - *big grin*

-----Original Message-----
From: scudzo2001 [mailto:scud@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:23 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] Historical Sources


Howdy All,

Reference arty in the Imperial Era.

I believe Caesar references numbers and organization, as does
Vegetius for later dates. As for battlefield deployment and use see
Arrian. He also describes foot and horse archery over infantry in
depth.

Note..the military guys and gals out there should read Arrian if only
for professional development. LBS aside, it's a great example of
prepping the battlefield, channeling the kill zone, and getting an
opponent into a spot where you can hammer them upon themselves. The
psychological impact would have been awesome. It just takes a little
visualization of what Arrian is describing.

I'm sure there is a lot of difficulty trying to make things too
historically accurate in a game that encompasses such span in time.
We probably all have our niches in history that we enjoy and would
really like to see modeled correctly.... My pet peeve is
Cataphracts vs Legionaries - historically, the infantry beats the
cavalry hands down in HTH (Dio, Cassius, et al) to the point where
the Cat Commanders (from Pathians to Sassinids) refused to charge
Roman infantry. It seems they failed to intimidate the grunts to the
point where they wanted to get out of the way when charged. This was
not normal for the eastern societies/nobility, whose infantry were
considered dregs. The Roman infantry would, at any opportunity,
close with and attack the cataphracts with very good success. But..I
do realize to change this in the game system may seriously affect the
play balance of other game periods and tactical relationships. I
don't know what the proper balance would be.

Just .02 from a warrior newbie.

A good site for reference material is
www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook.html
It contains direct translations from the original manuscripts. It
contains additional resources from Kelts to Crusaders. Also on the
DBA website (ok, shout HERETIC! now) is a link to a bunch of
historical sources.

Regards,
Fred

PS: "Hammering them upon themselves". A Fredism ala the
Yogi Berra
School of Thought. Lead cavalry ranks halt due to solid infantry
obstacle; follow-on ranks press forward to create a Cluster F.
Infantry shouts Hoooius Rahius and charges the cavalry CF.





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>My pet peeve is Cataphracts vs Legionaries – historically, the
>infantry beats the cavalry hands down in HTH (Dio, Cassius, et al)
to the point where
> the Cat Commanders (from Pathians to Sassinids) refused to charge
> Roman infantry. It seems they failed to intimidate the grunts to
thepoint where they wanted to get out of the way when charged.

From someone with several Warrior games under my belt....I think you
will find that this plays very historically in Warrior. Essentially
if the cav is going up against good close formation infantry (i.e.
Roman Legionaires)and doesn't roll up big on first contact they are
toast....and even if they do roll up big they are probably toast
(fatigue from the resulting combat racks up quickly for Cataphracts).


This was
> not normal for the eastern societies/nobility, whose infantry were
> considered dregs.

This also plays well in Warrior. Poorer infantry does not do as well
against cav. Especially loose order infantry who must pass pass a
waver test if charged by those Cats

Keegan