Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Phil Gardocki]

The few times the Norman's actually charged up the hill into the Huscarles
the Norman's were defeated and withdrew. The report was they were horrified by
the damage caused by the Ax. Command control* was what lost it for the
Anglo-Saxons. 1 wing of the army pursued the knights as they retreated and were
cut
off.

Phil

*also fatigue, Harold Godwinson's excommunication played a significant role.







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Very interesting indeed! What type of axe did the Huscarles use that makes it
different from others?
Kelly

PHGamer@... wrote:
The few times the Norman's actually charged up the hill into the Huscarles
the Norman's were defeated and withdrew. The report was they were horrified by
the damage caused by the Ax. Command control* was what lost it for the
Anglo-Saxons. 1 wing of the army pursued the knights as they retreated and were
cut
off.

Phil

*also fatigue, Harold Godwinson's excommunication played a significant role.







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Paul Georgian]

In a message dated 7/9/2003 1:39:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, kelly wilkinson
<jwilkinson62@...> writes:

> Very interesting indeed! What type of axe did the Huscarles use that makes
> it different from others?
> Kelly
>
> PHGamer@... wrote:
> The few times the Norman's actually charged up the hill into the Huscarles
> the Norman's were defeated and withdrew. The report was they were horrified
> by
> the damage caused by the Ax. Command control* was what lost it for the
> Anglo-Saxons. 1 wing of the army pursued the knights as they retreated and
> were cut
> off.
>

Recent scientific analysis on the battlefield, seems to indicate that the
Huscarles used an upgraded Lockheed-Martin Horsesplitter Battleaxe 2000, Mark V,
specifically modifed with an anodized tungsten, depleted uranium edge for anti
HK tactics. Harold Godwinson's R&D Lab in Wessex had let contracts for these
Axes around 1060 AD and they were just on-line in sufficient numbers by
Hastings. Further evidence indicates that the wealthier Huscarles had upgraded
their Axes with laser designators to insure accuracy of swing. Clearly from
this
the Huscarles Axes were vastly superior to 1000 Series Battleaxes used by the
Vikings and others and this should be reflected in the rules.

:-)

Sorry guys. The weapon fascination in Warrior vs who is using the weapon and
the tactics employed just consistently amuses me.

Paul G.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[scott holder]

Sorry guys. The weapon fascination in Warrior vs who is using the weapon and
the tactics employed just consistently amuses me.

>Heh heh, and not one shared by any Ho, at least as far as the specific weapon
is concerned. Historical accounts are full of hyperbole as well you know so
something about Harold's Huscarls' specific axes is often just a literary device
to convey the fact that they hacked the crap outta Norman knights charging
uphill.

>Remember, the basics for ancients/medievals, as laid down by Phil B, like it or
not, is that a spear is a spear is a spear, no matter if it was used by a
hoplite or a Byzantine. The same thing applies to axes:):)

scott

Theres a show on the History Channel called Conquest, hosted by Brit actor Peter
Woodward. At least I think thta's his name, anyways, he plays Cornawallis's ADG
in Mel Gibnons Patriot. One of those actor types you know when you see him.
Anyways, the half hour show usually focus's one one specific thing, then it's up
to Peter and his group to "Master" it in the next half hour. Demoliton Derby
driving was interesting, but lately the shows been focusing on medievil weapons.

They did a show on the Axe a couple of weeks ago, talked about the history of it
and evolution into a battle wepaon. Spent a little time on the Vikings, then
moved to the Huscarles of Norman England.
The axes were two handed weapons, and were anywhere from 18-36 inches longer (up
to 6 foot long apparently) and up to 20 pounds heavier than comparable Battle
axes. What made the Huscarles different though, is they used their axes with
their left arm being the dominant arm, meaning all their swing and strokes would
start from the left side of the body, where as the "common military use" of the
day had axe wielders go from the right side (because they were right handed).
Fight a few battles aginst a Right handed Axe weilding man with your trusty
shield and Sword and you develop quite an effective array of defenses. Try and
use those defenses against a Huscarle and you'd be dead pdq. According to the
historian on Conquest, most Norman opponents were unprepared for this "tactic",
and the only thing that eventaully beat them was Williams archers at Hastings,
thinning down the ranks enough so when the time to melee came, the advantage was
mitigated.

I've seen the show twice, so It'll be on again in the future most likely.
Conquest on History Channel

Todd

In a message dated 7/9/2003 6:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, PaulByzan writes:

> > Very interesting indeed! What type of axe did the
> Huscarles use that makes
> > it different from others?
> > Kelly

[Kelly Wilkinson]

LOL! I understand your point. But in our game the vast array of weapons that
can be considered 2HCW is mind boggling. My point is that it would seem that
some axes would be more or less effective verses various armor types.
Kelly :)

PaulByzan@... wrote:
In a message dated 7/9/2003 1:39:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, kelly wilkinson
<jwilkinson62@...> writes:

> Very interesting indeed! What type of axe did the Huscarles use that makes
> it different from others?
> Kelly
>
> PHGamer@... wrote:
> The few times the Norman's actually charged up the hill into the Huscarles
> the Norman's were defeated and withdrew. The report was they were horrified
> by
> the damage caused by the Ax. Command control* was what lost it for the
> Anglo-Saxons. 1 wing of the army pursued the knights as they retreated and
> were cut
> off.
>

Recent scientific analysis on the battlefield, seems to indicate that the
Huscarles used an upgraded Lockheed-Martin Horsesplitter Battleaxe 2000, Mark V,
specifically modifed with an anodized tungsten, depleted uranium edge for anti
HK tactics. Harold Godwinson's R&D Lab in Wessex had let contracts for these
Axes around 1060 AD and they were just on-line in sufficient numbers by
Hastings. Further evidence indicates that the wealthier Huscarles had upgraded
their Axes with laser designators to insure accuracy of swing. Clearly from
this
the Huscarles Axes were vastly superior to 1000 Series Battleaxes used by the
Vikings and others and this should be reflected in the rules.

:-)

Sorry guys. The weapon fascination in Warrior vs who is using the weapon and
the tactics employed just consistently amuses me.

Paul G.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Oh contrare "O'mighty List Ho,
If that were the case, then why are there 3 kinds of spears in Warrior as
in WRGX.? Pike, Long Thrusting Spear, and Javelin, Light Spear? It seems that
with so many mounted opponents for the Byzantines to face, that an elite unit
like the Varangian Guard would have gone the way of the other Byzantine
infantry(and would have used LTS) if their Axes were not enough to handle
cavalry with ease. . . !

Kelly

"Holder, Scott" <Scott.Holder@...> wrote:
Sorry guys. The weapon fascination in Warrior vs who is using the weapon and
the tactics employed just consistently amuses me.

>Heh heh, and not one shared by any Ho, at least as far as the specific weapon
is concerned. Historical accounts are full of hyperbole as well you know so
something about Harold's Huscarls' specific axes is often just a literary device
to convey the fact that they hacked the crap outta Norman knights charging
uphill.

>Remember, the basics for ancients/medievals, as laid down by Phil B, like it or
not, is that a spear is a spear is a spear, no matter if it was used by a
hoplite or a Byzantine. The same thing applies to axes:):)

scott

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Cool Todd! Thanks for the information, I'll be watching out for it! I find shows
like that very fascinating. I appreciate your time taking the time to respond to
my query!

Kelly

Thresh1642@... wrote:
Theres a show on the History Channel called Conquest, hosted by Brit actor Peter
Woodward. At least I think thta's his name, anyways, he plays Cornawallis's ADG
in Mel Gibnons Patriot. One of those actor types you know when you see him.
Anyways, the half hour show usually focus's one one specific thing, then it's up
to Peter and his group to "Master" it in the next half hour. Demoliton Derby
driving was interesting, but lately the shows been focusing on medievil weapons.

They did a show on the Axe a couple of weeks ago, talked about the history of it
and evolution into a battle wepaon. Spent a little time on the Vikings, then
moved to the Huscarles of Norman England.
The axes were two handed weapons, and were anywhere from 18-36 inches longer (up
to 6 foot long apparently) and up to 20 pounds heavier than comparable Battle
axes. What made the Huscarles different though, is they used their axes with
their left arm being the dominant arm, meaning all their swing and strokes would
start from the left side of the body, where as the "common military use" of the
day had axe wielders go from the right side (because they were right handed).
Fight a few battles aginst a Right handed Axe weilding man with your trusty
shield and Sword and you develop quite an effective array of defenses. Try and
use those defenses against a Huscarle and you'd be dead pdq. According to the
historian on Conquest, most Norman opponents were unprepared for this "tactic",
and the only thing that eventaully beat them was Williams archers at Hastings,
thinning down the ranks enough so when the time to melee came, the advantage was
mitigated.

I've seen the show twice, so It'll be on again in the future most likely.
Conquest on History Channel

Todd

In a message dated 7/9/2003 6:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, PaulByzan writes:

> > Very interesting indeed! What type of axe did the
> Huscarles use that makes
> > it different from others?
> > Kelly

Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]