Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

These are all good Steve and I am working them.

I'll need three games on the change LI recall decision point rule.

Jon,

I have two issues I would like to put forward.

1. LI recall from close and loose foot.
Since the intent is to keep this, change the timing of the choice
until AFTER prep shooting. Main reason being that, after prep
shooting the close/loose might no longer be steady and could even be
charged by LI. If the prep shooting has no effect, the LI can then
decide whether to recall or take the waver test.

2. I still do not know the answers to questions I asked about the
movement of elements after a charge move. This goes back to the
extended line vs charge reach section. If a body can charge but some
elements cannot reach the target due to lack of movement, what
happens to the "left over" elements?

Assume both bodies are close formation 4 elements wide x 2 elelements
deep. Attacking unit is angled back 45 degrees and the closest
element is 80 paces away. According to the method prefered by the
Four Horsemen, the attacker charges, first element contacts and
swivels to line up face-to-face. 2nd, 3rd and 4th elements now line
up parallel to the target body but stepped back 20 paces. Units are
in contact with one element each. NOTE: Each letter is an element,
spaced to give a clearer picture.

ie D D D D
D D D D
A
A A A A
A A A

OK, now comes the hard questions;

a. If the target recoils and the attacking element follows up, do
the other three attacking elements likewise follow up? And, if so,
when do they complete their charge?

b. If the defender loses the combat but does not recoil (pikes) what
happens to the other three attacking elements? When do they complete
their charge move?

c. If the attacker loses the combat and recoils, what happens to the
remaining three elements and, if the defender follows up, do they
come into contact with the remaining three attacking elements?

d. Can the "trailing" elements be charged BEFORE they complete their
charge move (such as question b. above) or are they considered to be
a converted charge?

e. when the trailing elements come into direct contact with the
defending body, do they still get their charging / weapons /
movement / impet bonuses?

f. If the trailing elements do not complete their charge until the
next bound, do they take a fatigue for the converted charge?

g. Lastly, will you reconsider the "gateswing" move where, as long
as one element can contact, the rest of the BODY can reach. Yes, I
know this will have SHI breaking the sub 10 second 100 metres and LC
will move at light speed (not realistic old boy. Can't have that...)
but it will stop all my questions above. The only rule you would
need to write is that the attacker CANNOT contact ANY body it cannot
legally charge. So if the attacker cannot declare a charge on a body
due to it being outside of charge reach AT CHARGE DECLARATION, it
cannot contact that body in it's charge move unless of course the
body moved INTO the moving attackers path.

Finally,

I can do diagrams (powerpoint is OK?) and review the drafts if you
like.

Cheers

[Don Coon]

> I have two issues I would like to put forward.
>
> 1. LI recall from close and loose foot.
> Since the intent is to keep this, change the timing of the choice
> until AFTER prep shooting. Main reason being that, after prep
> shooting the close/loose might no longer be steady and could even be
> charged by LI. If the prep shooting has no effect, the LI can then
> decide whether to recall or take the waver test.

We will play this way Starting Saturday. That will help reach the playtest
quota. As we have seen it (although we have not played it this way) this
rule would not have had an effect in any of our last 10 or so games. First
we almost always forget to declare the recall after Retirements as you are
supposed to. We just kind of have a gentlemans agreement that unless
otherwise stated all LI are assumed to have choosen the recall option.
Second, in our last 10 games the LI has never disordered to guys they were
facing. I know this can happen, so I am not trying to discount the
possibility, just saying that we have not seen it in the last 2 months or
so.

My personal opinion is that Steves post Prep proposal is a good one. I feel
its impact on the game is minor, and I also feel it gives a succesfull LI
Prep shot more teeth. Just my HO.

Don

Don,

Many thanks for the playtest. I agree that most times LI shooting
will have little or no effect but every so often the +5 -2 comes up
or someone gives you just the right target. . . . . . And if it is
combined with other units shooting, it might make a difference.

Cheers

Steve

--- In WarriorRules@y..., "DONALD COON" <jendon@f...> wrote:
>
> > I have two issues I would like to put forward.
> >
> > 1. LI recall from close and loose foot.
> > Since the intent is to keep this, change the timing of the choice
> > until AFTER prep shooting. Main reason being that, after prep
> > shooting the close/loose might no longer be steady and could even
be
> > charged by LI. If the prep shooting has no effect, the LI can
then
> > decide whether to recall or take the waver test.
>
> We will play this way Starting Saturday. That will help reach the
playtest
> quota. As we have seen it (although we have not played it this
way) this
> rule would not have had an effect in any of our last 10 or so
games. First
> we almost always forget to declare the recall after Retirements as
you are
> supposed to. We just kind of have a gentlemans agreement that
unless
> otherwise stated all LI are assumed to have choosen the recall
option.
> Second, in our last 10 games the LI has never disordered to guys
they were
> facing. I know this can happen, so I am not trying to discount the
> possibility, just saying that we have not seen it in the last 2
months or
> so.
>
> My personal opinion is that Steves post Prep proposal is a good
one. I feel
> its impact on the game is minor, and I also feel it gives a
succesfull LI
> Prep shot more teeth. Just my HO.
>
> Don