Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard Time,
pcelella@... writes:

The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight of the box
as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My question is,
does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that have been
upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements regardless whether
they are C or D?>>



Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first place.

Jon


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 11/15/2005 07:09:12 Central Standard Time,
pcelella@... writes:

One more thing, though. In my example, can I have the 12 Auxilia
upgraded to B if I also have 6E of C legionaries and 6E of C legionary
skirmishers? These are all listed on the same line as elements of
which 1/2 can be upgraded to B, so I assume that I am allowed to do this?>>





Yes and yes.

J


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I'm still working with my Patrician Roman list (nope, haven't given up
yet), and realized that my new list might not be legal.

The list says:

"Extra to upgrade Reg C Legionaries/Auxilia to Reg B @ 4 pts if
MI/LMI, @ 2 pts if LI ..... 0-1/2"

The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight of the box
as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My question is,
does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that have been
upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements regardless whether
they are C or D?

In my new list I have:

12 elements of Reg B LMI Auxilia
6 elements of Reg C MI Legionaries
6 elements of Reg D LMI Auxilia Bowmen
8 elements of Reg D LI Legionary Skirmishers
6 elements of Reg C LI Legionary Skirmishers

That's a total of 38 elements, with 12 upgraded to Reg B, which is
less than 1/2 of the total. If I don't count the D's, than it's 24
total elements with 12 upgraded to B - okay?

I'm just not sure that I'm doing this correctly and wanted to check.

Thanks for the help.

Peter

Thanks Jon:

One more thing, though. In my example, can I have the 12 Auxilia
upgraded to B if I also have 6E of C legionaries and 6E of C legionary
skirmishers? These are all listed on the same line as elements of
which 1/2 can be upgraded to B, so I assume that I am allowed to do this?

Peter


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard Time,
> pcelella@c... writes:
>
> The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight of the box
> as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My question is,
> does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that have been
> upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements regardless whether
> they are C or D?>>
>
>
>
> Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first place.
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Greg Regets]

Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.

This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self, where
you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman troops
with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
legions as frontier guards.

Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the victor at
Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be overly
critical ... just curious.

Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless Patricians~



In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard Time,
> pcelella@c... writes:
>
> The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight of the
box
> as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My question is,
> does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that have
been
> upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements regardless
whether
> they are C or D?>>
>
>
>
> Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first place.
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Greg:

Although I would love to see the Patricians more powerful, I can't
really disagree with the historical approach to the list. Most of the
"Roman" troops probably weren't that high grade in 451 AD. Aetius, in
order to win at Chalons, was forced to recruit masses of barbarian
federates - Alans, Visigoths, Franks, and Burgundians. The relatively
small number of Roman troops he had were defensively placed on the
battlefield's sole hill, where Attila supposedly instructed his army
to ignore them in order to attack the Alans and Visigoths instead.

And, if you think your Pats are now worthless, (obviously I don't
agree with that assessment), couldn't you make use of the figures by
shifting them over to a LIR army?


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets" <greg.regets@g...>
wrote:
>
> Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.
>
> This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self, where
> you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman troops
> with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
> legions as frontier guards.
>
> Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the victor at
> Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be overly
> critical ... just curious.
>
> Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless Patricians~
>
>
>

[joncleaves]

I don't see a question mark.
As for rough treatment, I'd have to know what the issue is. Please let me know.
All I ask is that you don't do it in terms of the differences between 7th lists
and Warrior lists.

J


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:08:00 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale Upgrades


Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.

This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self, where
you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman troops
with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
legions as frontier guards.

Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the victor at
Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be overly
critical ... just curious.

Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless Patricians~



In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard Time,
> pcelella@c... writes:
>
> The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight of the
box
> as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My question is,
> does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that have
been
> upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements regardless
whether
> they are C or D?>>
>
>
>
> Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first place.
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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[Greg Regets]

LOL ... well how else would you suppose I tell you the difference? ;-)

Thanks ... g





--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> I don't see a question mark.
> As for rough treatment, I'd have to know what the issue is. Please
let me know. All I ask is that you don't do it in terms of the
differences between 7th lists and Warrior lists.
>
> J
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:08:00 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
Upgrades
>
>
> Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.
>
> This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self, where
> you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman troops
> with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
> legions as frontier guards.
>
> Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the victor at
> Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be
overly
> critical ... just curious.
>
> Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless Patricians~
>
>
>
> In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard Time,
> > pcelella@c... writes:
> >
> > The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight of
the
> box
> > as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My question
is,
> > does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that have
> been
> > upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements regardless
> whether
> > they are C or D?>>
> >
> >
> >
> > Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first place.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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[Greg Regets]

I agree, but more battles were fought than the one at Chalon.




--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Celella" <pcelella@c...>
wrote:
>
> Greg:
>
> Although I would love to see the Patricians more powerful, I can't
> really disagree with the historical approach to the list. Most of
the
> "Roman" troops probably weren't that high grade in 451 AD. Aetius,
in
> order to win at Chalons, was forced to recruit masses of barbarian
> federates - Alans, Visigoths, Franks, and Burgundians. The
relatively
> small number of Roman troops he had were defensively placed on the
> battlefield's sole hill, where Attila supposedly instructed his army
> to ignore them in order to attack the Alans and Visigoths instead.
>
> And, if you think your Pats are now worthless, (obviously I don't
> agree with that assessment), couldn't you make use of the figures by
> shifting them over to a LIR army?
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
<greg.regets@g...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.
> >
> > This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self,
where
> > you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman troops
> > with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
> > legions as frontier guards.
> >
> > Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the victor
at
> > Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be
overly
> > critical ... just curious.
> >
> > Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless Patricians~
> >
> >
> >
>

[joncleaves]

Um, between your understanding of the history and our list....

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:38:51 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale Upgrades


LOL ... well how else would you suppose I tell you the difference? ;-)

Thanks ... g





--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> I don't see a question mark.
> As for rough treatment, I'd have to know what the issue is. Please
let me know. All I ask is that you don't do it in terms of the
differences between 7th lists and Warrior lists.
>
> J
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:08:00 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
Upgrades
>
>
> Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.
>
> This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self, where
> you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman troops
> with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
> legions as frontier guards.
>
> Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the victor at
> Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be
overly
> critical ... just curious.
>
> Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless Patricians~
>
>
>
> In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard Time,
> > pcelella@c... writes:
> >
> > The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight of
the
> box
> > as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My question
is,
> > does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that have
> been
> > upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements regardless
> whether
> > they are C or D?>>
> >
> >
> >
> > Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first place.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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[Greg Regets]

I actually did this once offline Jon ... which I'm sure you already
know. I sent you about a three page email, complete with sources and
logic for the inevitable assumtions.

You gave me a three word answer ... "we don't agree."

Just never mind ... like I said, I don't want to start a fight, I'm
just curious why this army is considerably weaker than it was before.

I honestly thought FHE was going to try to avoid that.

Thanks ... g



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> Um, between your understanding of the history and our list....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:38:51 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
Upgrades
>
>
> LOL ... well how else would you suppose I tell you the
difference?
>
> Thanks ... g
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> >
> > I don't see a question mark.
> > As for rough treatment, I'd have to know what the issue is.
Please
> let me know. All I ask is that you don't do it in terms of the
> differences between 7th lists and Warrior lists.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:08:00 -0000
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
> Upgrades
> >
> >
> > Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.
> >
> > This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self,
where
> > you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman troops
> > with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
> > legions as frontier guards.
> >
> > Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the victor
at
> > Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be
> overly
> > critical ... just curious.
> >
> > Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless Patricians~
> >
> >
> >
> > In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard Time,
> > > pcelella@c... writes:
> > >
> > > The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight of
> the
> > box
> > > as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My
question
> is,
> > > does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that
have
> > been
> > > upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements regardless
> > whether
> > > they are C or D?>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first
place.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[joncleaves]

I do remember. I assumed that you had some new info you wanted to share.

FHE is going to avoid changing Warrior lists so that players can have confidence
that if they buy a Warrior army it will never 'get worse'.

We made no promises whatsoever to be the same as 7th lists. In fact, my
dissatisfaction with 7th lists (and those of WRG generally) has a great deal to
do with me signing up for this project in the first place.

There is no 'one before'. We have only ever published one Patrician list.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:04:29 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale Upgrades


I actually did this once offline Jon ... which I'm sure you already
know. I sent you about a three page email, complete with sources and
logic for the inevitable assumtions.

You gave me a three word answer ... "we don't agree."

Just never mind ... like I said, I don't want to start a fight, I'm
just curious why this army is considerably weaker than it was before.

I honestly thought FHE was going to try to avoid that.

Thanks ... g



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> Um, between your understanding of the history and our list....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:38:51 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
Upgrades
>
>
> LOL ... well how else would you suppose I tell you the
difference?
>
> Thanks ... g
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> >
> > I don't see a question mark.
> > As for rough treatment, I'd have to know what the issue is.
Please
> let me know. All I ask is that you don't do it in terms of the
> differences between 7th lists and Warrior lists.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:08:00 -0000
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
> Upgrades
> >
> >
> > Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.
> >
> > This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self,
where
> > you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman troops
> > with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
> > legions as frontier guards.
> >
> > Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the victor
at
> > Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be
> overly
> > critical ... just curious.
> >
> > Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless Patricians~
> >
> >
> >
> > In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard Time,
> > > pcelella@c... writes:
> > >
> > > The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight of
> the
> > box
> > > as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My
question
> is,
> > > does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that
have
> > been
> > > upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements regardless
> > whether
> > > they are C or D?>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first
place.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
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[Greg Regets]

Nope ... know a stone wall when I see one. ;-)




--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> I do remember. I assumed that you had some new info you wanted to
share.
>
> FHE is going to avoid changing Warrior lists so that players can
have confidence that if they buy a Warrior army it will never 'get
worse'.
>
> We made no promises whatsoever to be the same as 7th lists. In
fact, my dissatisfaction with 7th lists (and those of WRG generally)
has a great deal to do with me signing up for this project in the
first place.
>
> There is no 'one before'. We have only ever published one
Patrician list.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:04:29 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
Upgrades
>
>
> I actually did this once offline Jon ... which I'm sure you already
> know. I sent you about a three page email, complete with sources
and
> logic for the inevitable assumtions.
>
> You gave me a three word answer ... "we don't agree."
>
> Just never mind ... like I said, I don't want to start a fight, I'm
> just curious why this army is considerably weaker than it was
before.
>
> I honestly thought FHE was going to try to avoid that.
>
> Thanks ... g
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> >
> > Um, between your understanding of the history and our list....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:38:51 -0000
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
> Upgrades
> >
> >
> > LOL ... well how else would you suppose I tell you the
> difference?
> >
> > Thanks ... g
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't see a question mark.
> > > As for rough treatment, I'd have to know what the issue is.
> Please
> > let me know. All I ask is that you don't do it in terms of the
> > differences between 7th lists and Warrior lists.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:08:00 -0000
> > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
> > Upgrades
> > >
> > >
> > > Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.
> > >
> > > This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self,
> where
> > > you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman
troops
> > > with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
> > > legions as frontier guards.
> > >
> > > Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the
victor
> at
> > > Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be
> > overly
> > > critical ... just curious.
> > >
> > > Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless
Patricians~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard
Time,
> > > > pcelella@c... writes:
> > > >
> > > > The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight
of
> > the
> > > box
> > > > as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My
> question
> > is,
> > > > does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that
> have
> > > been
> > > > upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements
regardless
> > > whether
> > > > they are C or D?>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first
> place.
> > > >
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > >
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[joncleaves]

Pot, this is kettle....

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:58:05 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale Upgrades


Nope ... know a stone wall when I see one. ;-)




--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> I do remember. I assumed that you had some new info you wanted to
share.
>
> FHE is going to avoid changing Warrior lists so that players can
have confidence that if they buy a Warrior army it will never 'get
worse'.
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> We made no promises whatsoever to be the same as 7th lists. In
fact, my dissatisfaction with 7th lists (and those of WRG generally)
has a great deal to do with me signing up for this project in the
first place.
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> There is no 'one before'. We have only ever published one
Patrician list.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:04:29 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
Upgrades
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> I actually did this once offline Jon ... which I'm sure you already
> know. I sent you about a three page email, complete with sources
and
> logic for the inevitable assumtions.
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> You gave me a three word answer ... "we don't agree."
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> Just never mind ... like I said, I don't want to start a fight, I'm
> just curious why this army is considerably weaker than it was
before.
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> I honestly thought FHE was going to try to avoid that.
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> Thanks ... g
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> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
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> > Um, between your understanding of the history and our list....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:38:51 -0000
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
> Upgrades
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> > LOL ... well how else would you suppose I tell you the
> difference?
> >
> > Thanks ... g
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> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
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> > > I don't see a question mark.
> > > As for rough treatment, I'd have to know what the issue is.
> Please
> > let me know. All I ask is that you don't do it in terms of the
> > differences between 7th lists and Warrior lists.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:08:00 -0000
> > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: List Construction Question - Morale
> > Upgrades
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> > > Please don't take this as a snarky question, I mean it honestly.
> > >
> > > This is an army that's not even a shadow of it's former self,
> where
> > > you could buy Aetius' army comprised of the elite of Roman
troops
> > > with massed barbarians ... leaving the poorer Roman troops and
> > > legions as frontier guards.
> > >
> > > Now, I don't expect any change ... but am curious why the
victor
> at
> > > Chalon was given such rough treatment. Again, not meant to be
> > overly
> > > critical ... just curious.
> > >
> > > Thanks ... Greg ~owner of $1K worth of half-worthless
Patricians~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/15/2005 06:14:19 Central Standard
Time,
> > > > pcelella@c... writes:
> > > >
> > > > The standard Legionary, Auxilia, Skirmisher, comes straight
of
> > the
> > > box
> > > > as morale grade D, and first must be upgraded to C. My
> question
> > is,
> > > > does the 0-1/2 requirement apply to only the elements that
> have
> > > been
> > > > upgraded to C, or does it apply to all the elements
regardless
> > > whether
> > > > they are C or D?>>
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> > > > Only the elements that have been upgraded to C in the first
> place.
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[Bill Chriss]

>>
> Nope ... know a stone wall when I see one.
>

Greg,

Actually, wouldn't that be an indestuctible terrain feature in the forward
zone of your Knights of St. John army? :-)

-Greek
(or in this case, Byzantine)