Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Mark Stone]

I've been reading through the "Holy Warrior" lists with some care, and overall
I'm really pleased. Many more lists are going to be playable now than used to
be, and that's a good thing. As someone who's studied a fair amount of Byzantine
history, the Byzantine lists look much more realistic to me (thanks, Paul) as
well as much more playable. I like seeing the 1st Crusade split out, and I like
the fact that the Pilgrims on that list are still a tough, if brittle, tool. I
also like seeing that my beloved Knights of Saint John are still a solid army.
Worse in one or two small ways, better in one or two small ways, but overall
quite viable.

Of late I've been pondering Romanian Franks, and I have a couple of questions.
These are really just clarifications; I have found no outright mistakes in the
list per se.

(1) This is a general question that will apply to many lists. The minimum number
of stands of Feudal Knights is 6. The C-in-C and subs are also accompanied by
knights. Do the C-in-C's stand and the subgeneral's stands count towards that 6
stand minimum, or are they in addition to the 6 stand minimum?

(2) The Catalan Ally general comes as EHK. There are no other EHK in the Catalan
contingent. I'm not sure how to interpret that. There seem to be four
possibilities:
(a) There should be at least one additional stand of EHK so that the Catalan
general, like all other knight-generals of this period, can fight as part of a
two-stand unit of knights. I might point out that the Catalan List (#2 has
this line, which the Romanian Frank List lacks:
Aragonese Men-at-Arms Irr B EHK L,Sh @45..... 0-1
(b) The Catalan general can be part of a unit containing Catalan Cavalry, and
the Catalan Cavalry should be optionally L instead of JLS if bought as HC, so
that the general can be backed by lance-armed cavalry.
(c) The Catalan general can be part of a unit containing Catalan Cavalry who
have JLS, giving one the odd unit of front rank EHK L,Sh, and back rank HC
JLS,Sh.
(d) The Catalan general can only be a staff element.

Of these options only (a) and (d) seem to me to make any sense. We know pretty
definitively that the Catalan Cav fought only with JLS. I'd favor (a) since I
can't think why the extra element of Aragonese would be dropped. When the
Catalan Company shows up on the Romanian Frank list, it is the _whole_ company;
it's not like some of these guys were off fighting somewhere else.

Anyway, some clarification would be appreciated.


-Mark Stone

[scott holder]

I'm really pleased. Many more lists are going to be playable now than used to
be, and that's a good thing.

>Another satisfied customer. Tell your friends!

Worse in one or two small ways, better in one or two small ways, but overall
quite viable.

>Heh heh, call me Solomon. I had some serious outside help on the KOSJ and I
think we captured them "better" than was previously done.


(1) This is a general question that will apply to many lists. The minimum numb
er
of stands of Feudal Knights is 6. The C-in-C and subs are also accompanied by
knights. Do the C-in-C's stand and the subgeneral's stands count towards that
6
stand minimum, or are they in addition to the 6 stand minimum?

>Addition. Remember, you can technically form a general with any other troop
type as long as the rules are followed (regs with regs, irr with irr, etc). T
his was done deliberately so as to provide some flexibility to players.

(2) The Catalan Ally general comes as EHK. There are no other EHK in the Catal
an
contingent. I'm not sure how to interpret that. There seem to be four possibil
ities:
(a) There should be at least one additional stand of EHK so that the Catalan
general, like all other knight-generals of this period, can fight as part of a

two-stand unit of knights. I might point out that the Catalan List (#2 has
this line, which the Romanian Frank List lacks:
Aragonese Men-at-Arms Irr B EHK L,Sh @45..... 0-1

>This was done deliberately. The Catalans just didn't have gobs of EHK and in
some ways, we were hard pressed to find enough to go beyond the range (men pe
r figure) for even a general's element. Also, some guiding design philisophy
on the list development is that in some cases where we do make a stretch with
the "national" list, unless there is some compelling documentation stating oth
erwise, we're assuming that should that "nationality" pop up in another list,
it would not have all the bells and whistles of the "home team" list. That's
why the Catalans in particular have been structured they way they've been stru
ctured. Hope this is clear. If not, I can further muddy the waters:):)

(c) The Catalan general can be part of a unit containing Catalan Cavalry who
have JLS, giving one the odd unit of front rank EHK L,Sh, and back rank HC JLS
,Sh.

>While this is technically true, you are correct, from a tactical standpoint,
it don't work.

(d) The Catalan general can only be a staff element.

>That's the real aim here. As I perused Catalan battles, I could find no evid
ence that the generals were leading knight charges.


 scott