Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/1/2003 16:43:23 Central Daylight Time,
spocksleftball@... writes:

> does anyone have an
> opinion on Regular LHI armed with front rank 2HCT,Sh and back rank
> JLS,Sh.
>

I love 'em - my favorite troop type. But hard to build an army around if it
doesn't also contain a shock troop somewhere.


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[joncleaves]

A couple of comments on this thread.

2HCT front/JLS back LHI is only my favorite troop type if Chinese and also
armed with bow....

But I plan on giving some marine units a whirl as I start my campaign towards
next years HCon.

In answer to greg's question, HTW loses their protection against a 2HCT -1 on
subsequent bounds as at that point those troops are no longer 'using' HTW.
This actually came up in my game against Tim, but I let it go because I could
see a discussion about the word 'using' and I am leery to get in those when I
am playing lest it seem I am abusing my place as the rules author. I will
clarify this in the next update.

Jon


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/1/2003 17:31:34 Central Daylight Time,
lsu90@... writes:

> Those Han infantry are fantastic, but I don't remember the rear rank
> having Jls.
>

2E Forest Orphans with a 2E detachment of Expert Marksmen.


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[Greg Regets]

Taken in context of a plan already being in place to avoid things
like elephants and mounted knights, and with the understanding that
these would be purchased in very limited numbers, does anyone have an
opinion on Regular LHI armed with front rank 2HCT,Sh and back rank
JLS,Sh.

1. This is a question really. If these guys were matched against HTW
guys, does the HTW guy take the -1 for facing 2HCT after bound one?
(i.e. They are no longer "using" HTW.)

2. Obviously there are better troop types ... shooters, guys that
skirmish, guys with big long pointy things ... but then again, you
are very good against things like LIR Legionaries and English
Longbowmen, and will rarely lose to Peltasts and things of that
nature. Is this of enough interest to justify units of 16 figures
that will come in at around 114 points?

3. Well armed irregular foot is a problem, more so the loose order
than the close order whom you should be able to limit to counter-
charging. Might these fit nicely into a plan to draw the LO irregular
foot (specifically moogs and such) into a potential "bad day in the
open" zone? Considering your lack of shirmish, is this just too
dangerous in peoples opinion?

4. These should be able to handle missile fire well, as you have lots
of ammo on your side ... a) target priorities will rarely let him
pile up on you, b) four stand of bow will need an +1 at short range
(not likely if you are crafty) to get 2CPF and he still will not
charge you in all likelyhood ... c) longbows need a +2 to do 2CPF at
your charge reach.

5. You can actually put the JLS guys in front, and shoot away small
skirmisher units. Then again, by the time you get to 40p to shoot,
you will probably be forced to put your 2HCT in front.

6. Yes, you are expensive ... but perhaps worth it, in small numbers?

Thanks in advance for any opinions ... G

Honestly, being a non-expert, I would say they are a waste of points. Mainly
because El usually have LI somewhere near by which will simply take them out of
the game one way or another. For example 4E LI B will skirmish at 80p and let
you either suck up CP or burn them by charging. Either way they will sit if LI
are present. Second is Reg LMI B will make them tired in about 3 bounds. I
guess it really depends on what they are supporting or what they are supporting.
If it is a line of Rg D MI LTS,sh, then the LHI will stick out like a bulleye.
OTOH, they can manuver and would be able to provide a strike against something
that got caught on the MI spears. Personally, I'd charge them in a heartbeat
with my Normans, but then I've actually charged El Wanax
> Taken in context of a plan already being in place to avoid things
like elephants and mounted knights, and with the understanding that
these would be purchased in very limited numbers, does anyone have an
opinion on Regular LHI armed with front rank 2HCT,Sh and back rank
JLS,Sh.




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Ah yes, but if you look at what Greg plays, you can see where he is
going with this. Aren't those marines just wonderful! And guess what,
with the newer FHE lists, they seems to be on a few of those knightly
lists! Plenty of punch with the rest of the army ;-)


Chris Tebo

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> A couple of comments on this thread.
>
> 2HCT front/JLS back LHI is only my favorite troop type if Chinese
and also
> armed with bow....
>

Those Han infantry are fantastic, but I don't remember the rear rank
having Jls.

I always found the HI,2HCT,Pa MI,Jls,Sh Colonists in the Teutonic
list to be excellent infantry. Much more punch than the standard
2HCT front rank with CB in the back. I've been drawn to the Voynuks
in the Late Ottoman list too for the same reasons. These infantry
can tangle with almost anything (at least for a couple of bounds)and
give you time to kill the flanks with your strike force. Not many
lists allow this combination though (I don't have the Feudal Warrior
book yet). I think they are well worth the points, but I tend to
play with a close infantry center.

Wes

[Todd Kaeser]

--- lsu90 <lsu90@...> wrote:

> I always found the HI,2HCT,Pa MI,Jls,Sh Colonists in
> the Teutonic
> list to be excellent infantry. Much more punch than
> the standard
> 2HCT front rank with CB in the back. I've been
> drawn to the Voynuks
> in the Late Ottoman list too for the same reasons.
> These infantry
> can tangle with almost anything (at least for a
> couple of bounds)and
> give you time to kill the flanks with your strike
> force. Not many
> lists allow this combination though (I don't have
> the Feudal Warrior
> book yet). I think they are well worth the points,
> but I tend to
> play with a close infantry center.
>
> Wes

A unit of those b@$+@&%$ routed a unit of my Aztec
priests on contact w/ an +3 - never mind I rolled down
1.

Todd Kaeser

Irregs really have some huge swings w/ the dice.

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[Kelly Wilkinson]

As an Arab Empire player, I feel that the Reg B Daylami are some of the most
versitile troops in the game! Heck, their LHI, and can be JLS or LTS, B, SH with
an option for incendiary attack! And I can get 8 elements in addition to
Egyptian Marines that are armed to the tooth (Reg C LHI LTS,JLS,B, Sh)!!!

Kelly Wilkinson


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I had looked at the Daylami guys and thought they were great.

How effective is the incendiary stuff in practice?

ANW

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<jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
>
>
> As an Arab Empire player, I feel that the Reg B Daylami are some of
the most versitile troops in the game! Heck, their LHI, and can be
JLS or LTS, B, SH with an option for incendiary attack! And I can get
8 elements in addition to Egyptian Marines that are armed to the
tooth (Reg C LHI LTS,JLS,B, Sh)!!!
>
> Kelly
Wilkinson
>
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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Adrian,
To be honest, I use the LTS option as that allows me to fight in the open.
Often opposing players will try to my your troops shake in the open and since
the Daylami are Reg B they usually make it and violla... pony on a stick with a
huge peppering of arrows to spice things up a bit!!! You just have to remember
to make sure to support their flanks and allow them to be eager for morale
purposes.

Kelly

Adrian Williams <fredthebaddy@...> wrote:
I had looked at the Daylami guys and thought they were great.

How effective is the incendiary stuff in practice?

ANW

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, kelly wilkinson
<jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
>
>
> As an Arab Empire player, I feel that the Reg B Daylami are some of
the most versitile troops in the game! Heck, their LHI, and can be
JLS or LTS, B, SH with an option for incendiary attack! And I can get
8 elements in addition to Egyptian Marines that are armed to the
tooth (Reg C LHI LTS,JLS,B, Sh)!!!
>
> Kelly
Wilkinson
>
>
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[Don Coon]

I use Daylami with my Ghaznavids. I rarely take IJLS. If I know my
opponent is a heavy foot user though they can be worth it. They fire @4 vs
most foot. This can come as quite a shock to the opponent who waltzes up
thinking he can handle your puny JLS Prep shot. Vs horse its not really
worth it.

Don


> I had looked at the Daylami guys and thought they were great.
>
> How effective is the incendiary stuff in practice?
>
> ANW
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, kelly wilkinson
> <jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > As an Arab Empire player, I feel that the Reg B Daylami are some of
> the most versitile troops in the game! Heck, their LHI, and can be
> JLS or LTS, B, SH with an option for incendiary attack! And I can get
> 8 elements in addition to Egyptian Marines that are armed to the
> tooth (Reg C LHI LTS,JLS,B, Sh)!!!
> >
> > Kelly
> Wilkinson
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[Don Coon]

I agree here too. What I like is your opponent has to mentallt account for
LTS, JLS, IJLS, and B plus the REG B and LHI all before the game starts. He
never really knows which way you are going to go. Daylami woth LTS in brush
are a wonder to behold!

Don
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> Adrian,
> To be honest, I use the LTS option as that allows me to fight in the
open. Often opposing players will try to my your troops shake in the open
and since the Daylami are Reg B they usually make it and violla... pony on a
stick with a huge peppering of arrows to spice things up a bit!!! You just
have to remember to make sure to support their flanks and allow them to be
eager for morale purposes.
>
> Kelly
>
> Adrian Williams <fredthebaddy@...> wrote:
> I had looked at the Daylami guys and thought they were great.
>
> How effective is the incendiary stuff in practice?
>
> ANW
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, kelly wilkinson
> <jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > As an Arab Empire player, I feel that the Reg B Daylami are some of
> the most versitile troops in the game! Heck, their LHI, and can be
> JLS or LTS, B, SH with an option for incendiary attack! And I can get
> 8 elements in addition to Egyptian Marines that are armed to the
> tooth (Reg C LHI LTS,JLS,B, Sh)!!!
> >
> > Kelly
> Wilkinson
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[Greg Regets]

I was asked to post this by a newer player in the San Antonio area.

He asked if we would be so kind as to keep these posts about troop
types such as Daylami, Ottomans and Medieval Marines, to a dead
minimum - as it makes him laugh so hard he can't keep his hand steady
enough to finish painting his "Moogs".

Thank you ... G ;-)

P.S. Thanks to everyone that offered an opinion concerning 2HCT/JLS
troops. I find these opinions quite helpful.

I looked this over vs my newest creation...Japanese. Basically they would be
tough as long as you have El or mounted nearby. the El would create their own
brand of irratation, but the mounted would keep me out of skirmish which would
do you nicely if you were able to move to within 40p. Otherwise, I think I'd
shoot them silly. I'll stick with the B/2HCW combo
Wanax

Thank you ... G ;-)

P.S. Thanks to everyone that offered an opinion concerning 2HCT/JLS
troops. I find these opinions quite helpful


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