Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Mark Stone]

John Murphy asked to see my take on the Medieval French, so I've included it
below; hopefully the formatting doesn't get too mangled in the transfer from
spreadsheet to email.

Several comments on this:

(1) At 1600 points I don't take the sacred standard. Frank Gilson has a good way
of reasoning this out: a sacred standard is worth roughly 1/2 point per figure,
since it takes, for example, Irr C troops and makes them better than Cs but not
quite as good as Irr B troops. So: how many figures will be affected by a sacred
standard, and is that worth the cost? There are 54 and 102 figures made eager by
it on this list, giving it a value of at most 51 points. Not worth the cost.

(2) The formation of the Brigan units is a trick I learned from watching Frank
Gilson and Dave Stier play 100 Year's War English (and because I had a small
number of points left over). Being a 24 figure unit is not good, as that
divides evenly into many casualty results. Stick a cheap LMI stand in the very
back, and suddenly you're a 26 figure unit, which confounds multipliers on the
combat results chart.

(3) I'm not a big believer in Irr A troops. Ultimately, knowing you won't roll
down (Irr B) is much more important than wishing you'd roll up big (Irr A).
Being Irr A also makes it difficult to hover near the front of the line without
being drawn into an undesirable charge. So most of the knights here are Irr B,
with the exception of one big unit of all Irr A.

(4) This is every scrap of LI you can buy on the early period. You force march
one Breton JLS unit and the three 2 stand CB units initially. This gives you
exactly enough, if the CB units are 2 wide and 1 deep, to cover the table end
to end with zones that your opponent cannot force march past. You then have a
second line that has your Brigans lined up where you want to aim them flanked
by various 6 stand LI units. The third line is your knights.

This isn't a real complex army. You pin as best you can with the LI, and look
for a point in your opponent's line where you want to slam home with the
knights and Brigans. With 8 stands of SHK frontage and 6 stands of 2HCT
frontage, something ought to give.


-Mark Stone

Troop Type Elems Cost Com Total

CinC,PA,Irr B SHK L,Sh 1 151 0 151
Nobles Irr B EHK L,Sh 1 45 0 45

Sub, Irr B SHK L,Sh 1 91 0 91
Nobles Irr B EHK L,Sh 1 45 0 45

Sub, Irr B SHK L,Sh 1 91 0 91
Nobles Irr B EHK L,Sh 1 45 0 45

Nobles Irr A SHK L,Sh 2 57 25 139
Nobles Irr A EHK L,Sh 2 48 0 96

Nobles Irr B SHK L,Sh 1 54 25 79
Nobles Irr B EHK L,Sh 1 45 0 45

Nobles Irr B SHK L,Sh 1 54 25 79
Nobles Irr B EHK L,Sh 1 45 0 45

Nobles Irr B SHK L,Sh 1 54 25 79
Nobles Irr B EHK L,Sh 1 45 0 45

Bretons Irr C LI JLS,Sh 4 6 25 49

Bretons Irr C LI JLS,Sh 4 6 25 49

French Xbow Reg D LI CB 6 4 10 34

French Xbow Reg D LI CB 6 4 10 34

Span Xbow Irr C LI CB 6 4 25 49

French Xbow Reg D LI CB 2 4 10 18

French Xbow Reg D LI CB 2 4 10 18

French Xbow Reg D LI CB 2 4 10 18

Brig Irr C HI 2HCT,Pa 3 24 25 97
Brig Irr C MI JLS 3 8 0 24
Brigans Irr C LMI JLS 1 6 0 6

Brig Irr C HI 2HCT,Pa 3 24 25 97
Brig Irr C MI JLS 3 8 0 24
Brig Irr C LMI JLS 1 6 0 6


TOTAL 1598

[John Murphy]

Thanks, Mark. Seems like a pretty good list. I've seen you or Frank
post the 7E Brigans before in this or some other list, forgot about
it though until now.

While I am sure, having read all your posts, you have worked all
this out - I wonder about the cost-benefit calculation. If you had
the option of making the Brigans (in particular, I suppose you could
also include the LI but they are less problematic however see the
other posts about preventing impetuous LI) "B class" I don't think
there would be any other way to look at it. However, such is not an
option. So you have invested 127x2 points in two "HYWE Brigans"
(because lacking the S standard) which are going to be (slightly but
perhaps significantly) more difficult to get impetuous. So do you
spend 254 points on those Brigans or go for 339 to make them
difficult for the other guy to _prevent_ going impetuous? I guess it
boils down to what you expect them to be used against and what level
of performance puts them over the top. I suspect your views on this
are to be found in the message archives.

Irr A/B comes down to style (in part) but also really to the same
type of question. Irr A go up 2 something less than half the time,
Irr B go up 1 something less than half the time. Aside from the
never-uneasy item which they share with Reg A's, to me this makes
them worth the extra (as much as Irr B are above Irr C) just from a
cost-analysis standpoint. However, once again it depends on how you
are going to use them (you need to have enough to spread the luck
out a bit to make it work - something about entropy and randomness
or some such) and also wether the extra plus and the extra lack of
unease is putting them over the top for their anticipated role. Then
there is the downside of Irr A troops, aside from cost, being a bit
touchy to control. And I would hate to have to test it over the
table against you!

Thanks for the tactical notes also, interesting and it light of it I
can certainly see the reason for all that LI in your list - more
than I think I realized the Medieval French could have.