Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/23/2002 17:20:10 Central Daylight Time, sheol@...
writes:


> Q: If a routing unit starting in contact with its pursuing foe rout moves
> and then become destroyed due to FP's caused by the 'rout' itself, does its
> pursuer pursuit cease before or after it pursue moves after the (now)
> destroyed routed unit? This is a question of timing really.
>

After.

> Q: Does a friendly unit that was 120 paces away from a router BEFORE the
> routed unit rout moved make a waver test for 'seeing friends' rout, even if
> the router is no longer sseen or within 120 paces AFTER the rout move is
> made?

It makes the test if it see the router at any point on its rout move.

>
> Q: What exactly is considered a flank for 'support' purposes? See below:

Flank support?

>
> All facing ^:
>
> .............AAAA
> ...........................BBBB
> ...............CCCC
>
> Does A provide flank support to B (assuming withing distance), as C does,
> even though A in not 'behind' B's flank?

Behind not an issue with friendly bodies supporting close/loose foot. Just
within 120p of each flank and without an enemy in between.

>
> Q: The rules say when flank charging that the entire front of the charging
> body must end the charge behind the target unit''s flank, otherwise the
> charger is pivoted and lined up against the targets front. However, what
> edge does it line up against when the charge is NOT a flank charge, but is
> facing the flank edge of the target unit (that is the chargers front edge
> is
> in full contact with the flank edge of the target unit)? See illus. Below:
>
> ...........A
> ...........ABBBB
> ...........ABBBB
> ...........A
>
> A is directly in contact and facing B's flank edge. Does he line up on the
> front or rear of B? Rare, but did happen in a game we played.

That statement you are quoting is for charges that start without the charger
behind the flank at the start of the charge.

>
> Q: A unit that charges from the rear of the unit. Because its behind the
> flank of the target (and assuming it is also not entirly behind the target)
> does it pivot on the rear or flank. See below illut.
>
> Both Face = ^
>
> ...................AAAA
> ................BAAAA
> ..................B
> .....................B
> ........................B
>
> Does B pivot on the flaank, or on the rear? B's front is entirly behind A's
> flank, and is in contact with that flank edge.

Rear

>
> Q: Are charges on the 'rear' (as opposed to the flank) handled in the same
> way as charges to a units 'front' regarding lining up and pivoting?
>
>

Yes.


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Jon.

Here are some questions we put together based on our last game. I am
considering these for FAQ inclusion.

**********

Q: If a routing unit starting in contact with its pursuing foe rout moves
and then become destroyed due to FP's caused by the 'rout' itself, does its
pursuer pursuit cease before or after it pursue moves after the (now)
destroyed routed unit? This is a question of timing really.

Q: Does a friendly unit that was 120 paces away from a router BEFORE the
routed unit rout moved make a waver test for 'seeing friends' rout, even if
the router is no longer sseen or within 120 paces AFTER the rout move is
made?

Q: What exactly is considered a flank for 'support' purposes? See below:

All facing ^:

.............AAAA
...........................BBBB
...............CCCC

Does A provide flank support to B (assuming withing distance), as C does,
even though A in not 'behind' B's flank?

Q: The rules say when flank charging that the entire front of the charging
body must end the charge behind the target unit''s flank, otherwise the
charger is pivoted and lined up against the targets front. However, what
edge does it line up against when the charge is NOT a flank charge, but is
facing the flank edge of the target unit (that is the chargers front edge is
in full contact with the flank edge of the target unit)? See illus. Below:

...........A
...........ABBBB
...........ABBBB
...........A

A is directly in contact and facing B's flank edge. Does he line up on the
front or rear of B? Rare, but did happen in a game we played.

Q: A unit that charges from the rear of the unit. Because its behind the
flank of the target (and assuming it is also not entirly behind the target)
does it pivot on the rear or flank. See below illut.

Both Face = ^

...................AAAA
................BAAAA
..................B
.....................B
........................B

Does B pivot on the flaank, or on the rear? B's front is entirly behind A's
flank, and is in contact with that flank edge.

Q: Are charges on the 'rear' (as opposed to the flank) handled in the same
way as charges to a units 'front' regarding lining up and pivoting?

***************

--Kurt



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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/23/2002 23:49:23 Central Daylight Time, sheol@...
writes:


> With no wheel it hits B head on in the side. Does it pivot to face the fron
> or rear of B, since not a flank attack.
>
>

It stays against the flank. We'll need a clarification, I guess....


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> > Q: What exactly is considered a flank for 'support' purposes? See below:
>
> Flank support?
>

My point was that the examples only show the supporting units 'behind' the
flank of the unit they are giving 'support' to. The term 'flank support' was
of course mine.

> >
> > Q: The rules say when flank charging that the entire front of the
charging
> > body must end the charge behind the target unit''s flank, otherwise the
> > charger is pivoted and lined up against the targets front. However, what
> > edge does it line up against when the charge is NOT a flank charge, but
is
> > facing the flank edge of the target unit (that is the chargers front
edge
> > is
> > in full contact with the flank edge of the target unit)? See illus.
Below:
> >
> > ...........A
> > ...........ABBBB
> > ...........ABBBB
> > ...........A
> >
> > A is directly in contact and facing B's flank edge. Does he line up on
the
> > front or rear of B? Rare, but did happen in a game we played.
>
> That statement you are quoting is for charges that start without the
charger
> behind the flank at the start of the charge.
>

I am reading rule 'Flank Charges' in 6.164. All it says is that unit A's
attack is not a flank charge. It started thus:

B facing ^; A facing >.

A
A.........BBBB
A.........BBBB
A

With no wheel it hits B head on in the side. Does it pivot to face the fron
or rear of B, since not a flank attack.

Am I missing somthing obvious here?

--Kurt

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/24/2002 10:50:30 Central Daylight Time, sheol@...
writes:


> Stays in contact. No pivot, but need to line up???

Doesn't look like there is any need to pivot if I understand the diagram, but
you would have to line up.

>
> In combat, is it treated as a flank attack for shield use, target can't
> fight back, etc., just not a flank charge???
>

If I understand the facing of the letters, the target can't 'fight back' as
there are no figures in the charged body in contact with anyone to their
front.

The last diagram had the charger coming from the left, therefore, the target
would get shields as that is the shielded side.


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/24/2002 11:20:39 Central Daylight Time, sheol@...
writes:


> So Jon, this is then a charge vs. the flank but doesn't count as such, as it
> is not a leagal flank charge.

of course it is. You are the victim of some lost wording. If you start the
charge behind the flank, you don't even need the entire rule you are
referring to. I said I will clarify. That rule is for flank charges where
the charger does not start behind the flank.



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Stays in contact. No pivot, but need to line up???

In combat, is it treated as a flank attack for shield use, target can't
fight back, etc., just not a flank charge???

I'm lost on this one. Sorry if I am not getting it.

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Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] More Questions (considering for FAQ inclusion)


> In a message dated 8/23/2002 23:49:23 Central Daylight Time,
sheol@...
> writes:
>
>
> > With no wheel it hits B head on in the side. Does it pivot to face the
fron
> > or rear of B, since not a flank attack.
> >
> >
>
> It stays against the flank. We'll need a clarification, I guess....
>
>
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You have it right, the target in the example wiould have shields...my
mistake. From the right flank and no shields.

So Jon, this is then a charge vs. the flank but doesn't count as such, as it
is not a leagal flank charge. The fact that it makes full contact with the
side of the edge means no need to pivot onto the rear or front of the
target, but it still needs to line up as normal (so that an attacking
elements side edge is lined up with the front edge of the target - moveing
the least amountto do so, etc.).

In combat, it is treadted for what it is...contact on the flank edge (as
opposed to frontal contact). It just gets no benifits for chargeing on a
flank I guess.




>
> The last diagram had the charger coming from the left, therefore, the
target
> would get shields as that is the shielded side.
>