Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

Warning - small rant. >>


Hey, I don't drink coffee, so nothing like a mail like this to get the blood
flowing in the morning.

<<I know space is an issue for any rulebook but relying on web
downloads is a hazardous route to go especially with the lack of a
real Warrior site on the net.>>

The FHE site is 'real enough' for what we can do right now. There's a lot
more to be done, I know. But we are not a full-time company. Each of the
four of us has a full time job that is not FHE. Things will therefore develop
slowly.

<< In fact, the lack of presence on the
internet of Warrior is a real issue for growth of the game. A Yahoo
group doesn't quite cut it. Have you done a search for Warrior
related sites or info lately?>>

Routinely...lol

<< The paucity of info is a real concern.
Before I get into a game or buy figures I research the hell out of
them on the net. No pics of figures - no purchase.>>

We are not a figures company, as is Games Workshop. Their marketing model
will not work for us. Pics of figures *is* something we plan to go heavily
into this year, BUT that is not what will sell us rulebooks.

<< The same with
rules - poor web page usually equals poor support or lack of
opponents.>>

Indeed, the web page needs work. I am teaching myself web design. And I
want to switch from the yahoo group entirely to the FHE site with forum. But
that is *time* and the four of us need to restructure our lives every time we
add something we want to do.

<< Warrior wasn't even added to the Society of Ancients
database till November 2004!>>

Our good friends of the British Isles are the most challenging market for
us. Unlike US/Aus/NZ, the fundamental philosophy of Warrior is a direct
challenge to the way Ancients is played there. No market will be as difficult
as
that one... They did not even believe we'd survive to 2004, let alone deserve
a place in the SoA fold.

<<Unless FHE and the Warrior community take the game to the world the
players will all be dead or infirm in 20 years or so including
myself. Most of us were playing WRG 5/6/7th which gives you an idea
of the age of the group. We need new blood and we need it badly.
Fantasy warrior may help but more needs to be done to get new players
into our rules.>>

Hmmm, no kidding...lol

I play with 12 people here in KC that play Warrior. Of them, 2 others were
old WRG players. Of them, 10 are younger than I am. Of them, 8 are former
Warhammer Fantasy players who now play Fantasy Warrior instead. Recruiting
new blood can be done, but recruiting is a job for *all* of us and best happens
locally and not through marketing techniques brought about by the company.

<<Vis Bellica, for example, has been around for less then 2 years yet
their membership is half ours already, they have a user friendly
website which is updated quite regularly as well as a Yahoo group.>>

Vis Bellica is checkers to Ancients as Warrior is more like chess. We will
never compete directly for large numbers against a simple game. We will
never have the playership of DBA. The large majority of players who are
satisfied with that level of design will never enjoy the intricacy of a game
like
Warrior. What we need to break into that market is *another game* a simpler
game - Warrior Battles. Our company-invovled recruiting strategy begins with
that product. I have done Warrior 'demos' at cons - it is simply not a game
for dragging joe gamer over to the table and getting him involved quickly -
none of us *want* Warrior to be that way. I can't write WB until the revised
rulebook is done. Once WB is done, we have plans for a recruiting stratgey
using that game and rewarding players who run demos using it at cons.
Little steps for little feet....

<<I want Warrior to succeed but am concerned that we are spending too
much time doing the same old things over and over. The same
tournaments every year etc. Do we even have a presence at Games Day
for the SOA? How many demos are run at conventions around the world? >>

See above.

<<Something that needs to be addressed is the apparent lack of interest
in accomodating WAB players.>>

Warrior 30mm is our start. WB, however, is the next component of that.

<< Statements such as "there is nothing
that can be done for Warhammer Ancients Battles players" (page 3 of
the rulebook) are counter productive. >>

Fair enough - I will remove it.

Great input, John - thanks.

J




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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/19/2005 23:41:00 Central Standard Time,
mwbard@... writes:

Players could submit pictures to the FHE site to spruce that
up, but other than that...>>


Both our call for pictures and our call for scenarios produced exactly NO
submissions from our players.

I need to put some energy into dragging this stuff out of folks but don't
have it at the moment...

J







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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/20/2005 02:35:28 Central Standard Time,
thresh1642@... writes:

Space is not an issue. Money is.>>

It is neither. It is time. We'll have a Flames of War quality website.
Just not this week....lol

Jon






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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/20/2005 05:42:04 Central Standard Time,
pcelella@... writes:

Couldn't WAB players, who wanted to try out Warrior use the alternate
basing for 30mm that is on the Yahoo website?>>

That is the intent.

<< If the 30mm stuff is
included in the new rules, then WAB could possibly mount their
individually based figures on temporary bases and give it a try.>>


Both 30mm and 10mm are in the revised rules.

Jon








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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/20/2005 06:00:11 Central Standard Time,
JonBecker@... writes:

Any chance of trying to put a Warrior 1000pt Historical 30mm Tourney or demo
or something together at a Cold Wars or Historicon (any major venue) to
answer the WAB call? Seems like an easy win-win!>>


FHE will do this as soon as Warrior Battles is written.

Jon








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[Mark Mallard]

In a message dated 20/01/2005 12:33:58 GMT Standard Time, JonCleaves@...
writes:

<< Warrior wasn't even added to the Society of Ancients
database till November 2004!>>




I got this added. Not crowing. But it is up to the players as well as FHE.

MARK MALLARD


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[joncleaves]

I got this added. Not crowing.>>

You should crow, Mark. It was an important help to us and the playership.
You're sort of the 'voice of Warrior in the UK' for us at this point...

<<But it is up to the players as well as FHE.>>

Indeed it is so. We have created the Fifth Horseman program to recognize this
and plan to significantly exapnd it when we have Warrior Battles to centerpiece
a 'demo package'...

J

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/20/2005 23:03:47 Central Standard Time, nidboy@...
writes:

Or we can simply dump them all on Jon! (Sorry Jon I
know you have too much to do already! >>

I have no max to the number of pictures of Warrior I will accept.

Pictures of ahistorical matchups would find there way onto the yahoo group,
but could not be used inside our publications.

J






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Comments Below:

>
> In a message dated 1/19/2005 23:41:00 Central Standard Time,
> mwbard@t... writes:
>
> Players could submit pictures to the FHE site to spruce that
> up, but other than that...>>
>
>
> Both our call for pictures and our call for scenarios produced
exactly NO
> submissions from our players.
>
> I need to put some energy into dragging this stuff out of folks
but don't
> have it at the moment...
>
> J


I don't think it would be rough for the Warrior community to
collectively take a bunch of pictures at Cold Wars. Then we could
all fill Jon's e-mail box up with out pictures. That could solve
the Picture problem nicely.

A possible scenario:
Everyone who has a digital camera brings it to Cold Wars. Then
before games are played we collectively make sure that everyone has
a camera at each table. (I would lend mine out on a game by game
basis as I know Tim B. has a camera as well) Then everyone simply
takes a few snapshots at the beginning of each bound and a few of
some neat combat situations. We can then decide how the pictures
will be edited. Or we can simply dump them all on Jon! (Sorry Jon I
know you have too much to do already! <Grin>)

Seems to me that that would really cover a lot of why we all play
warrior. Especially if there are a few good pick up games for fun
or a scenario or two that can be photographed.

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "wacoddignton" <nidboy@v...> > I
> A possible scenario:
> Everyone who has a digital camera brings it to Cold Wars. Then
> before games are played we collectively make sure that everyone has
> a camera at each table. (I would lend mine out on a game by game
> basis as I know Tim B. has a camera as well) Then everyone simply
> takes a few snapshots at the beginning of each bound and a few of
> some neat combat situations. We can then decide how the pictures
> will be edited. Or we can simply dump them all on Jon! (Sorry Jon
I
> know you have too much to do already! <Grin>)
>

Sounds good but one request - less photos of the and more of the
armies and tables. I find most wargamers to be less then
aesthetically pleasing and I supsect most others are in the same
boat. More figures, less players. Please?

John O

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 01:55:58 Central Standard Time,
malekithau@... writes:

Forgot about the 30mm modifications. Mind you the fact you can't find
them may indicate the reason I can't and again shows the need for a
better web presence.>>


There is a folder in the files section labeled "Warrior in 30mm Scale". The
folders are arranged alphabetically based on the first letter of its name
from top to bottom - this would make one that starts with a 'W' near the
bottom... :)

Jon








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>
> Sounds good but one request - less photos of the and more of the
> armies and tables. I find most wargamers to be less then
> aesthetically pleasing and I supsect most others are in the same
> boat. More figures, less players. Please?
>
> John O

This should read "Sounds good but one request - less photos of the
players and more of the armies and tables. "

OOps

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> There is a folder in the files section labeled "Warrior in 30mm
Scale". The
> folders are arranged alphabetically based on the first letter of
its name
> from top to bottom - this would make one that starts with a 'W'
near the
> bottom...
>
> Jon

Okay - read and digested. Fair effort I must say but I must say I am
not looking forward to the day my little arms have to try to reach
across 6 feet of table especially with all those sharp points that
always seem to stick me. As for rebasing, I'm sure I've had
nightmares about that.

Looks like a challenge all right. Converting WAB to to DBx would be a
lot simpler then conversion to Warrior as they only have to worry
about elements not CPF etc. So long as opponents were happy they
could just base their figs as best able on sabot bases so 3 Romans
are a base of blades etc

Will require more thought. Mind you the sabot idea would still work
so long as opponents are happy to play 3 fig HI for example
remembering that it actually represents 4 figs. Especially if we are
just trying to recruit platers then I would have no problems with
this approach.

John O

[joncleaves]

<<Okay - read and digested. Fair effort I must say but I must say I am
not looking forward to the day my little arms have to try to reach
across 6 feet of table especially with all those sharp points that
always seem to stick me.>>

I have played a game so large that it was on a 12'x6'. For those troops that
were across the centerline (more than 3' away), I walked around to the other
side...

<< As for rebasing, I'm sure I've had
nightmares about that. >>

There is no need to rebase a single figure to play Warrior 30mm using WAB based
figs. I know, I have done it.
The only things that are too large are figs based for fantasy that are foot but
on 25mm bases that need to be close order and chariots. Both are easy to
remember for what they are.

Jon

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/22/2005 10:01:19 Central Standard Time,
malekithau@... writes:

How do buy these FW armies? There are no mention of them anywhere on
the Essex site that I could find.>>


He meant the US distributor of Essex....

go to:

_http://speartorifle.com/~wargames/essex/index.html_
(http://speartorifle.com/~wargames/essex/index.html)

and look under 15mm for Warrior Fast Play Armies

Jon








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