Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

With regards to the rear rank counting as steady rule even if the body
is disordered.

Out of curioisity, does this apply if the body is disordered due to
being in disordering terrain? Unlike disorder caused by shooting or
combat, this would seem to effect all of the sub units within the
body...

I ask because this very situation came up in a recent game I played
against the Romans (before the list rule revisions).

Thanks
Cole

[Bill Low]

Good point, Cole. It shouldn't. We've taken a careful look at this
question, not only as to terrain but other causes of disorder as
well. We will be posting a fix shortly.

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Nicholas Cioran" <ncioran@...>
wrote:
>
> With regards to the rear rank counting as steady rule even if the
body
> is disordered.
>
> Out of curioisity, does this apply if the body is disordered due to
> being in disordering terrain? Unlike disorder caused by shooting
or
> combat, this would seem to effect all of the sub units within the
> body...
>
> I ask because this very situation came up in a recent game I played
> against the Romans (before the list rule revisions).
>
> Thanks
> Cole
>

According to the list rule for Roman Legionaries.

"2) Replace an element in contact with opponents with an element
directly to its rear during the Approach or Counter/Retirment phase
(as well as when making a Recoil move, 6.51), without dicing or being
prompted, but only during the second bound of a continuing H-T-H
combat. Such a replacing element counts as steady in the following
H-T-H combat phase, even if its body is not otherwise considered
steady; thereafter, it counts as having the cohesion of the worst
affected element(s) in the body. Such a replacing element also counts
as in first contact (9.3), even though its body is by definition
already in contact; it does not count as charging or counter-charging
(9.42)."

They count steady even when the whole unit is disordered?

Does that mean that mounted facing them lose the +2 hand to hand
tactical factor for fighting against disordered foot?

Does this mean that an opposing unit with a two handed weapon such as
a 2HCW count as shielded since it counts as "first contact (9.3)" ?

And also can a JLS armed unit with another weapon also get the JLS+
bonus since it counts as "first contact (9.3)" also?


Just curious about how close Roman Legionaries are getting to become
Supermen.

John Steil

[Bill Low]

It is important to distinguish between the way in which the replacing
Roman element is treated (i.e., counts as in first contact) and the
way in which its opponents are treated (which is no different absent
the Circulating Combatants rule). The answers to your questions then
would be:

Yes - counts as steady, even if the unit is disordered
Yes - mounted lose the +2 for facing a disordered foot unit
No - opposing units are treated as they "normally" would be
No – ditto

Thanks.

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "seventhidsoldier"
<john_steil@...> wrote:
>
> According to the list rule for Roman Legionaries.
>
> "2) Replace an element in contact with opponents with an element
> directly to its rear during the Approach or Counter/Retirment phase
> (as well as when making a Recoil move, 6.51), without dicing or
being
> prompted, but only during the second bound of a continuing H-T-H
> combat. Such a replacing element counts as steady in the following
> H-T-H combat phase, even if its body is not otherwise considered
> steady; thereafter, it counts as having the cohesion of the worst
> affected element(s) in the body. Such a replacing element also
counts
> as in first contact (9.3), even though its body is by definition
> already in contact; it does not count as charging or counter-
charging
> (9.42)."
>
> They count steady even when the whole unit is disordered?
>
> Does that mean that mounted facing them lose the +2 hand to hand
> tactical factor for fighting against disordered foot?
>
> Does this mean that an opposing unit with a two handed weapon such
as
> a 2HCW count as shielded since it counts as "first contact (9.3)" ?
>
> And also can a JLS armed unit with another weapon also get the JLS+
> bonus since it counts as "first contact (9.3)" also?
>
>
> Just curious about how close Roman Legionaries are getting to become
> Supermen.
>
> John Steil
>

[John Murphy]

Does "steady in the HtH combat phase" include, in addition to HtH
casualty calculation...

Steady against enemy support shooting, and for any waver tests
caused by enemy support shooting?

Steady for determining wether combat result waver tests are required?

Steady for purposes of combat result moves, including possible waver
testing if broken through etc?

Is "HtH combat" as a "phase" actually defined in those terms in the
rules anywhere?

> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "seventhidsoldier"
> <john_steil@> wrote:
> >
> > According to the list rule for Roman Legionaries.
> >
> > "2) Replace an element in contact with opponents with an element
> > directly to its rear during the Approach or Counter/Retirment
phase
> > (as well as when making a Recoil move, 6.51), without dicing or
> being
> > prompted, but only during the second bound of a continuing H-T-H
> > combat. Such a replacing element counts as steady in the
following
> > H-T-H combat phase, even if its body is not otherwise considered
> > steady; thereafter, it counts as having the cohesion of the worst
> > affected element(s) in the body. Such a replacing element also
> counts
> > as in first contact (9.3), even though its body is by definition
> > already in contact; it does not count as charging or counter-
> charging
> > (9.42)."