Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

I know this sounds ridiculous, but I and a friend have various
opinions of view of "shooting troups".

We just tried warrior and noticed that JLS and B are a very, very
deadly enemy even to HC C or B. Could this be possible or do we make
an mistake? I mean Reg C LMI JLS, sh makes 27 "hits" on a small Reg
B HC and makes 5 CPF in prep shooting?! Could be or not!?

Second it says in the rules every body with shooting weapons is
allowed to use them. Does this mean, that as soon a troup is
entitled with B or JLS or whatever could shoot. Example Reg C HC JLS
Could advance to an enemy shoot at him in prep shooting and then
attack?!

Third there is the point that Reg infantry in close order can shoot
or not with JLS. I say yes why not, but the argument is, that the
close order will interfere with the use of the weapon. I could find
no rule which will not allow the use.


hope that nobody is annoyed with such a noob questions.

cheers and thank's for the answers

Stefan S.

Hello Stefan. Hope you're enjoying Warrior.

> I know this sounds ridiculous, but I and a friend have various
> opinions of view of "shooting troups".
>
> We just tried warrior and noticed that JLS and B are a very, very
> deadly enemy even to HC C or B. Could this be possible or do we
make
> an mistake? I mean Reg C LMI JLS, sh makes 27 "hits" on a small
Reg
> B HC and makes 5 CPF in prep shooting?! Could be or not!?

I would say not.

First off, the smallest HC unit is a 2 element body. Such a body of
troops would have 6 figures. 27 divided by 6 is 4.5, which rounds
DOWN to 4. You always round the fractions DOWN in Warrior.

And yes, 4 cpf is still a mean thing to do to small HC unit.

That said, if that HC has lance, they will elect to charge instead
of waver test, so I sincerely hope that your Reg LMI with JLS is
amply supported, because if they fail their waver test for being
loose order troops charged by mounted in the open, they can plan to
kiss their butts goodbye.

> Second it says in the rules every body with shooting weapons is
> allowed to use them. Does this mean, that as soon a troup is
> entitled with B or JLS or whatever could shoot. Example Reg C HC
JLS
> Could advance to an enemy shoot at him in prep shooting and then
> attack?!

Yes - in fact, it is not an uncommon idea to try and shoot an
enemy body into disorder (3cpf) before committing to a charge, as
charging certain steady enemy bodies borders on hara-kiri levels of
tactical acumen (steady Pike blocks and steady LTS blocks, or
Knights charging elephants come readily to mind).


> Third there is the point that Reg infantry in close order can
shoot
> or not with JLS. I say yes why not, but the argument is, that the
> close order will interfere with the use of the weapon. I could
find
> no rule which will not allow the use.

You are looking for Rule 2.31, page 10, of the Warrior rulebook.
Under the list of bullets that indicate what the various
abbreviations mean for various weapons are a set of 4 arrows. The
first arrow in Rule 2.31 states:

"JLS is also a close combat category. Troops cannot use JLS as
a missile weapon if they are armed with a longer range missile
weapon or ARE CLOSE ORDER FOOT."

By the way, please keep in mind that NOT all close order troops
are Reg.

MI, HI, EHI, and SHI (either Reg or Irr, doesn't matter) cannot
use JLS as a missile weapon.

Also note that Elephants and SHC (close order troops) are exempt
from this because they are mounted troops, not foot.

Incidentally, the first half of that arrow is important as well -
if you have loose order troops or cavalry that have JLS, B, Sh, and
they get to 40 paces of an enemy, they will STILL BE SHIELDLESS to
shooting, even in skirmish, because they will ALWAYS use their bows
to shoot. You cannot chose to use JLS as a missile weapon if you
have ANY other missile weapon.

> hope that nobody is annoyed with such a noob questions.

Nope, no annoyance. Warrior is a rather involved game that has a
steep learning curve in the beginning. All I can say, is keep
playing, and also, keep reading the rules.

Regards,
Asif Chaudhry

Great this solves some of our problems.

The problem we have is, that there is in Europe nobody in our range, who could
just drop by and play a round of warrior with us. This would make many problems
easier to solve.

Again thanks for the plain explanation.

Cheers and happy gaming

Stefan S.
shahadet_99 <shahadet_99@...> schrieb:
Hello Stefan. Hope you're enjoying Warrior.

> I know this sounds ridiculous, but I and a friend have various
> opinions of view of "shooting troups".
>
> We just tried warrior and noticed that JLS and B are a very, very
> deadly enemy even to HC C or B. Could this be possible or do we
make
> an mistake? I mean Reg C LMI JLS, sh makes 27 "hits" on a small
Reg
> B HC and makes 5 CPF in prep shooting?! Could be or not!?

I would say not.

First off, the smallest HC unit is a 2 element body. Such a body of
troops would have 6 figures. 27 divided by 6 is 4.5, which rounds
DOWN to 4. You always round the fractions DOWN in Warrior.

And yes, 4 cpf is still a mean thing to do to small HC unit.

That said, if that HC has lance, they will elect to charge instead
of waver test, so I sincerely hope that your Reg LMI with JLS is
amply supported, because if they fail their waver test for being
loose order troops charged by mounted in the open, they can plan to
kiss their butts goodbye.

> Second it says in the rules every body with shooting weapons is
> allowed to use them. Does this mean, that as soon a troup is
> entitled with B or JLS or whatever could shoot. Example Reg C HC
JLS
> Could advance to an enemy shoot at him in prep shooting and then
> attack?!

Yes - in fact, it is not an uncommon idea to try and shoot an
enemy body into disorder (3cpf) before committing to a charge, as
charging certain steady enemy bodies borders on hara-kiri levels of
tactical acumen (steady Pike blocks and steady LTS blocks, or
Knights charging elephants come readily to mind).


> Third there is the point that Reg infantry in close order can
shoot
> or not with JLS. I say yes why not, but the argument is, that the
> close order will interfere with the use of the weapon. I could
find
> no rule which will not allow the use.

You are looking for Rule 2.31, page 10, of the Warrior rulebook.
Under the list of bullets that indicate what the various
abbreviations mean for various weapons are a set of 4 arrows. The
first arrow in Rule 2.31 states:

"JLS is also a close combat category. Troops cannot use JLS as
a missile weapon if they are armed with a longer range missile
weapon or ARE CLOSE ORDER FOOT."

By the way, please keep in mind that NOT all close order troops
are Reg.

MI, HI, EHI, and SHI (either Reg or Irr, doesn't matter) cannot
use JLS as a missile weapon.

Also note that Elephants and SHC (close order troops) are exempt
from this because they are mounted troops, not foot.

Incidentally, the first half of that arrow is important as well -
if you have loose order troops or cavalry that have JLS, B, Sh, and
they get to 40 paces of an enemy, they will STILL BE SHIELDLESS to
shooting, even in skirmish, because they will ALWAYS use their bows
to shoot. You cannot chose to use JLS as a missile weapon if you
have ANY other missile weapon.

> hope that nobody is annoyed with such a noob questions.

Nope, no annoyance. Warrior is a rather involved game that has a
steep learning curve in the beginning. All I can say, is keep
playing, and also, keep reading the rules.

Regards,
Asif Chaudhry






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