Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

I found the answer to each of these questions in 2.52 and 2.53.
Jon

[joncleaves]

No, you could not. A detachment is a unit and must abide by all the rules
for units (2.53)

[joncleaves]

A detachment is a unit. A regular detachment is a regular unit. Nothing
about 2.52 or 2.53 say they can 'mix ranks' with the parent and nothing about
2.52/2.53 allows you to have a front rank smaller than any other rank, in
fact quite the opposite.
When a detachment joins the parent, it forms the rear rank, not intermingles
with it.

You do not HAVE to join a det to a parent, so if a player designs them so it
is illegal to join them in all possible formations, that is on the player.

There will be a section on recommended units sizes in the rules with some
supporting text on why those sizes are recommended.

Jon

[joncleaves]

As an aside, no one uses 9 element regular units that I have seen, for
reasons associated with 2.52.

Reading through the posted Warrior rules, both the February and July
postings, I find that I cannot find an answer to this question.

How many elements must there be in a Regular unit?

Does the number of elements have to be an even number?

Can it be an odd number?

Can you form a regular unit with a detachment's elements making up
the equal number of elements in ranks after the first, mixed
detachment and parent unit elements?

Does a Regular detachment have to have an equal number of elements ?

Scott Turner

>I found the answer to each of these questions in 2.52 and 2.53.
>Jon
>

So could I have a Parent unit of Regulars with 7 elements, and a
Regular detachment of 2 elements, and arrange them in a single body
of three ranks, each rank consisting of three elements (the last rank
consisting of one Parent unit element and two detachment elements)?

Scott Turner

>No, you could not. A detachment is a unit and must abide by all the rules
>for units (2.53)
>


Jon,

I am now really confused.

2.52 and 2.53 do not state specifically how many elements should make
up unit, nor does it limit what types of troops can be part of the
same body (excepting the prohibition of mixing Regulars with
Irregulars). It does not state that a unit in a body containing a
detachment cannot mix a rank of parent and detachment.

The rules state that a unit is a body of 2 to 12 elements. That a
Regular unit must have an equal number of elements in each rank. You
could have a Regular unit with 9 elements. Your formations would be
limited to a line with a single rank and a block consisting of 3
ranks.

As far as I can see, a combined Regular unit consisting of a 7
element Parent body and a 2 or 5 element Regular detachment meets the
conditions of rules 2.52 and 2.53. The two bodies could join to form
a single body.

Formations allowed to this unit when combined would include a line,
and at least a block 3 elements wide. If the unit consisted of 12
elements it could also form a block 4 elements wide and 6 elements
wide.

If this is not true, then the rules need to be rewritten to
specifically state what is true about how detachments fit into the
rank structure of a line and a block formation.

Scott Turner

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/2/2001 19:24:17 Central Daylight Time,
loki_in_oz@... writes:

<< I think what he is asking is, can a regular unit consist of 4
elements of "parent" and one element of detachment = 5 in total? >>

No. det is also a unit and must abide by ALL unit rules.

I use dets all the time.

[joncleaves]

Can't be done if parent is 2x2. 3 element LI det if regular has only two
legal blocks - 1x3 and 3x1.

It is possible to construct a det and a parent such that they cannot be
joined. I recommend against it.

Jon,

I think what he is asking is, can a regular unit consist of 4
elements of "parent" and one element of detachment = 5 in total? If
so, when the detachment rejoins the parent body, is the ONLY
formation available to the complete body a column one element wide?
This being the ruling of "irregular" formations and an expended line
would be illegal due to the detachment needing to be in the rear rank.

I think this is one of the reasons why most people don't use
detachments.

Cheers

--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> A detachment is a unit. A regular detachment is a regular unit.
Nothing
> about 2.52 or 2.53 say they can 'mix ranks' with the parent and
nothing about
> 2.52/2.53 allows you to have a front rank smaller than any other
rank, in
> fact quite the opposite.
> When a detachment joins the parent, it forms the rear rank, not
intermingles
> with it.
>
> You do not HAVE to join a det to a parent, so if a player designs
them so it
> is illegal to join them in all possible formations, that is on the
player.
>
> There will be a section on recommended units sizes in the rules
with some
> supporting text on why those sizes are recommended.
>
> Jon

[Patrick Byrne]

Or how about this one:
Consider a regular body of 4 LMI elements is in block formation (2x2). When
its detachment of 3 LI elements join and form the back rank, is the new form
of the block formation 2x2x3 or 2x2x2x1?
-PB


Steve Honeyman wrote:

> Jon,
>
> I think what he is asking is, can a regular unit consist of 4
> elements of "parent" and one element of detachment = 5 in total? If
> so, when the detachment rejoins the parent body, is the ONLY
> formation available to the complete body a column one element wide?
> This being the ruling of "irregular" formations and an expended line
> would be illegal due to the detachment needing to be in the rear rank.
>
> I think this is one of the reasons why most people don't use
> detachments.
>
> Cheers
>
> --- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > A detachment is a unit. A regular detachment is a regular unit.
> Nothing
> > about 2.52 or 2.53 say they can 'mix ranks' with the parent and
> nothing about
> > 2.52/2.53 allows you to have a front rank smaller than any other
> rank, in
> > fact quite the opposite.
> > When a detachment joins the parent, it forms the rear rank, not
> intermingles
> > with it.
> >
> > You do not HAVE to join a det to a parent, so if a player designs
> them so it
> > is illegal to join them in all possible formations, that is on the
> player.
> >
> > There will be a section on recommended units sizes in the rules
> with some
> > supporting text on why those sizes are recommended.
> >
> > Jon
>
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Scott, regular units which are limited to one or two formations are not worth the points you pay for them. I also use dets. and they can be very affective. How much have you play so far? I know I had a hard time reading and understanding without playing. The Horsemen are doing a good job with the rewrite, keep reading and wait for the final set to come out. Peace, David  

Ok, I've got a better handle on this now. Thanks for clarifying!

Scott Turner

[scott holder]

<< I think what he is asking is, can a regular unit consist of 4
elements of "parent" and one element of detachment = 5 in total? >>

No. det is also a unit and must abide by ALL unit rules.

>Let me add that this is no different in Warrior as opposed to 7th.
Detachments must have a minimum of 2 elements. One wrinkle is the max element
limit and in this case a detachment/parent *combined* can have no more than 12
elements.

I use dets all the time.

>As do I. In fact, detachments are one of the best ways to make Vikings
semi-competitive. And don't ask about my elephant detachments to parent LHI
in the Khmer list:):)

Scott
List Ho

[Kelly Wilkinson]

--- "Holder, Scott <FHWA>" <Scott.Holder@...>
wrote:
> << I think what he is asking is, can a regular unit
> consist of 4
> elements of "parent" and one element of detachment
> = 5 in total? >>
>
> No. det is also a unit and must abide by ALL unit
> rules.
>
> >Let me add that this is no different in Warrior as
> opposed to 7th.
> Detachments must have a minimum of 2 elements. One
> wrinkle is the max element
> limit and in this case a detachment/parent
> *combined* can have no more than 12
> elements.
>
> I use dets all the time.
>
> >As do I. In fact, detachments are one of the best
> ways to make Vikings
> semi-competitive. And don't ask about my elephant
> detachments to parent LHI
> in the Khmer list:)
>
> Scott
> List Ho
>
> That's the truth! I asked him which Khmer
list he was using at Nashcon and he almost bit my head
off!

Kelly
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