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				|  Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:14 pm    Post subject: Of Converted Charges and Waivers |  |  
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				| Jon,
 
 Last night during your game with Matt there was a situation
 where you broke a longbow unit of Matt's and converted charged into
 one of his knights that was within 120 paces of his breaking unit
 before and during the rout move. You stated that the Knight did not
 have to take the waver test as the knight unit was involved in a
 converted charge by your pursuing unit. This got me to thinking
 about the situation so I went to the pertinent sections in the rule
 book. Here is what I found. . .
 
 1.  On page 45 section 6.167 the pertinent information is in the
 second sentence and states, "A converted charge is not declared and
 prevents all shooting at, charges on, waver tests and movement or
 charge response by either body before any resulting combat is
 adjudicated NEXT bound." By this I get the impression that any of
 these things that happen NEXT Bound is where these conditions apply.
 
 2. On page 30, 5.51 Waver Tests second paragraph down. "Waver tests
 are taken immediately, as soon as the condition requiring a waver
 test occurs."
 
 3. On page 18, 3.2 The Bound. at the very bottom of the
 section. "Note that prompts (4.3) and waver tests (5.5) are diced
 for when required, not at any one point in sequence."
 
 Considering these three points in the Warrior Rules, why would
 that knight unit not have to take a waver test? To me it seems that
 the knight who was in dire straits should definitely waver test for
 seeing his friends break immediately and then the converted charge
 effects should apply after the waver test. Am I wrong and if so, can
 you show me in the rules why?
 
 kelly wilkinson
 
 
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		| Kelly Wilkinson Dictator
 
  
 
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 Location: Raytown, MO
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:00 am    Post subject: Re: Of Converted Charges and Waivers |  |  
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				| Jon,
 
 I was hoping you could help me out with this question. Somehow
 it got lost in the Western 15mm championship mails. Can you set me
 straight?
 kelly
 
 
 --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "jwilkinson62"
 <jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
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 > Jon,
 >
 >      Last night during your game with Matt there was a situation
 > where you broke a longbow unit of Matt's and converted charged
 into
 > one of his knights that was within 120 paces of his breaking unit
 > before and during the rout move. You stated that the Knight did
 not
 > have to take the waver test as the knight unit was involved in a
 > converted charge by your pursuing unit. This got me to thinking
 > about the situation so I went to the pertinent sections in the
 rule
 > book. Here is what I found. . .
 >
 > 1.  On page 45 section 6.167 the pertinent information is in the
 > second sentence and states, "A converted charge is not declared
 and
 > prevents all shooting at, charges on, waver tests and movement or
 > charge response by either body before any resulting combat is
 > adjudicated NEXT bound." By this I get the impression that any of
 > these things that happen NEXT Bound is where these conditions
 apply.
 >
 > 2. On page 30, 5.51 Waver Tests second paragraph down. "Waver
 tests
 > are taken immediately, as soon as the condition requiring a waver
 > test occurs."
 >
 > 3. On page 18, 3.2 The Bound. at the very bottom of the
 > section. "Note that prompts (4.3) and waver tests (5.5) are diced
 > for when required, not at any one point in sequence."
 >
 >      Considering these three points in the Warrior Rules, why
 would
 > that knight unit not have to take a waver test? To me it seems
 that
 > the knight who was in dire straits should definitely waver test
 for
 > seeing his friends break immediately and then the converted charge
 > effects should apply after the waver test. Am I wrong and if so,
 can
 > you show me in the rules why?
 >
 >                              kelly wilkinson
 
 
 _________________
 Roll down and Win!
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