Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

I posted this question a couple of weeks ago but only as part of a post so Scott
obviously missed it, so here I go again. Will the Spanish in the main list be
entirely HTW equipped as per Fast Warrior or JLS equipped with an option to
upgrade to HTW? The old Hutchby/Clark lists had them JLS with an option to
upgrade half each unit to HTW and JLS which I think is more realistic as they
used a variety of javelins, only some of which were the all iron soliferrum. JLS
would also enable them to skirmish which is also appropriate to them.
Paul


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[Kelly Wilkinson]

JLS would also enable them to skirmish which is also appropriate to
them.
> Paul

I may be wrong about this but unless the whole unit is armed
with jls, I don't think the unit can legally skirmish. Is that
correct Four Horsemen?

Kelly

[Chris Bump]

In a message dated Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:39:50 +0100, PAUL.JACQ@... writes:

>
>
> I posted this question a couple of weeks ago but only as part of a post so
Scott obviously missed it, so here I go again. Will the Spanish in the main list
be entirely HTW equipped as per Fast Warrior or JLS equipped with an option to
upgrade to HTW? The old Hutchby/Clark lists had them JLS with an option to
upgrade half each unit to HTW and JLS which I think is more realistic as they
used a variety of javelins, only some of which were the all iron soliferrum. JLS
would also enable them to skirmish which is also appropriate to them.
> Paul
>
All true. Kelly, to address your question this would create a unit of LMI armed
completely with Javelins and then only half armed with HTW, so they would be
able to skirmish.
Chris

[scott holder]

Too early to say. I'm sorry but I have so many other lists between now
and the Spanish. Let me add that the H&C Spanish list is crap.
Period:):)

>>> PAUL.JACQ@... 7/9/02 5:26:00 PM >>>
I posted this question a couple of weeks ago but only as part of a post
so Scott obviously missed it, so here I go again. Will the Spanish in
the main list be entirely HTW equipped as per Fast Warrior or JLS
equipped with an option to upgrade to HTW? The old Hutchby/Clark lists
had them JLS with an option to upgrade half each unit to HTW and JLS
which I think is more realistic as they used a variety of javelins, only
some of which were the all iron soliferrum. JLS would also enable them
to skirmish which is also appropriate to them.
Paul


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[Chris Bump]

In a message dated Wed, 10 Jul 2002 7:59:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Scott.Holder@... writes:

> Too early to say. I'm sorry but I have so many other lists between now
> and the Spanish. Let me add that the H&C Spanish list is
> crap.
> Period:):)

Is Not, Is Not, Is Not!!! Says I with poughting lips and folded arms. :^) I am
confident, though, that as you do the research you will find that a. they
skirmished more than they fought and b. they carried a wide variety of "throwing
spears" to include the all iron soliferum (sp?).
Chris

[Ewan McNay]

Paul A Marsh wrote:
> From: Holder, Scott <FHWA> <Scott.Holder@...>
> > Too early to say. I'm sorry but I have so many other lists between now
> > and the Spanish. Let me add that the H&C Spanish list is crap.
> > Period:)
>
> OK fine.
> Unfortunately the only lists I have available to use for Warrior are H&C as
> I have been playing DBM for the past five years. So as I want to use the
> Spanish but don't want an army composition based on "crap" can anyone else
> out there enlighten me on a good Spanish army composition without having to
> buy another list which will be superseded by Warrior in about two years.

Actually (and speaking from a position of complete ignorance...): I
suspect that in terms of *figures*, the H&C base would be as good as any
- the LMI/LI/HC/LC are all likely to stay essentially as described
there. What I would expect to be changeable are the proportions of HTW,
double-arming, and/or IrrA available. Especially the latter, actually.
So, while one may need to paint *more* troops, I find it very unlikely
that one would need to change any existing troops.

[Personally I think that the demise of this army will be very sad; it is
really an uber-LMI force, and loses only to knights . Plus it's a lot
of fun! But historically I agree it's probably cobblers. However,
removing IrrA will only allow for more troops, which could be
interesting; I suspect that this will translate into more LI, which
might actually prove slightly difficult for knight armies to easily
remove]

Ewan

----- Original Message -----
From: Holder, Scott <FHWA> <Scott.Holder@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] One for the List HO


> Too early to say. I'm sorry but I have so many other lists between now
> and the Spanish. Let me add that the H&C Spanish list is crap.
> Period:):)

OK fine.
Unfortunately the only lists I have available to use for Warrior are H&C as
I have been playing DBM for the past five years. So as I want to use the
Spanish but don't want an army composition based on "crap" can anyone else
out there enlighten me on a good Spanish army composition without having to
buy another list which will be superseded by Warrior in about two years.
Paul

[scott holder]

Ewan pretty much encapsulates my thoughts on this, again, too early to
say once the Spanish are put under the microscope.

>>> ewan.mcnay@... 7/10/02 8:55:00 AM >>>
Paul A Marsh wrote:
> From: Holder, Scott <FHWA> <Scott.Holder@...>
> > Too early to say. I'm sorry but I have so many other lists between
now
> > and the Spanish. Let me add that the H&C Spanish list is crap.
> > Period:)
>
> OK fine.
> Unfortunately the only lists I have available to use for Warrior are
H&C as
> I have been playing DBM for the past five years. So as I want to use
the
> Spanish but don't want an army composition based on "crap" can anyone
else
> out there enlighten me on a good Spanish army composition without
having to
> buy another list which will be superseded by Warrior in about two
years.

Actually (and speaking from a position of complete ignorance...): I
suspect that in terms of *figures*, the H&C base would be as good as any
- the LMI/LI/HC/LC are all likely to stay essentially as described
there. What I would expect to be changeable are the proportions of HTW,
double-arming, and/or IrrA available. Especially the latter, actually.
So, while one may need to paint *more* troops, I find it very unlikely
that one would need to change any existing troops.

[Personally I think that the demise of this army will be very sad; it is
really an uber-LMI force, and loses only to knights . Plus it's a lot
of fun! But historically I agree it's probably cobblers. However,
removing IrrA will only allow for more troops, which could be
interesting; I suspect that this will translate into more LI, which
might actually prove slightly difficult for knight armies to easily
remove]

Ewan


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[Greg Regets]

They skirmished more than they fought, but still pass H&C's acid test (or lack
there of) for Irreg A status, or even Regular status on Cartho lists? Perhaps
what there is evidence for is a unit or two of higher moral HTW armed infantry
(perhaps front rank A/rest B), with a greater mass of lower moral main body with
JLS. This would seem to fit better into the historical tactic of flooding the
battlefield with skirmisher types and attacking in a small area with quality
troops and Celtiberians.

All my opinion of course, but what do I know? I always thought Spanish cavalry
was rather run-of-the-mill from my readings of history. After getting my H&C
book, I realized the error of my ways and understood what fanatical 'Irreg A'
and 'all armored HC' (must have been REALLY thick tunics) they actually were.

Greg

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Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] One for the List HO


In a message dated Wed, 10 Jul 2002 7:59:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Scott.Holder@... writes:

> Too early to say. I'm sorry but I have so many other lists between now
> and the Spanish. Let me add that the H&C Spanish list is
> crap.
> Period:):)

Is Not, Is Not, Is Not!!! Says I with poughting lips and folded arms. :^) I
am confident, though, that as you do the research you will find that a. they
skirmished more than they fought and b. they carried a wide variety of "throwing
spears" to include the all iron soliferum (sp?).
Chris

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