Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

Fellow Warriors

Consider the following and offer your opinion on it, please.

We take Fast Warrior out of the main rule book and offer the revised version
for free on the web.

Here's the thinking. Those who want to use Fast Warrior will still be able
to. The pages and work saved by not having it in the revised rulebook will
keep costs more managable and will remove the last remaining potential
obstacle to getting the revised book out according to our new timeline (to the
printers in October, available at Fall In.

The downside is that an impulse Warrior buyer who does not use, or refuses
to use, the web will not have access to Fast Warrior. But then who is that,
really? lol

Warrior Battles will still include lists in the book and the two cut out
armies so that people can play *that* game - intended to be our intro game -
straight from the package without needing a document off the web (or even
figures! lol).

Note also that the web version of FW will include a consolidated list rule
section, so you can get for free all of the list rules from the books in one
place until we publish Warrior Armies (the master list book).

Thoughts?

Jon


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/10/2005 22:25:33 Central Standard Time,
edgdp@... writes:

Love the idea of having the FW armies on the web. However would be sad to
see them go completely from the Rule book.

What about having a few -matched pairs- of FW armies in the rule book
(based around key ancient and Med battles)- perhaps one pair for each
Warrior army list book. So you could have "Marathon" with Greek and
Persians - both armies and a short battle overview on a single page- one
pair per List book.

This might give newcomers a "taste" and encourage all to seek out the other
FW armies on the web.

Greg P.





Good one. Very good...


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[Mark Mallard]

In a message dated 11/08/2005 03:13:13 GMT Standard Time, JonCleaves@...
writes:

Fine by me. If it is votes you want.

mark mallard (uk)

Fellow Warriors

Consider the following and offer your opinion on it, please.

We take Fast Warrior out of the main rule book and offer the revised
version
for free on the web.

Here's the thinking. Those who want to use Fast Warrior will still be able

to. The pages and work saved by not having it in the revised rulebook will
keep costs more managable and will remove the last remaining potential
obstacle to getting the revised book out according to our new timeline (to
the
printers in October, available at Fall In.

The downside is that an impulse Warrior buyer who does not use, or refuses
to use, the web will not have access to Fast Warrior. But then who is
that,
really? lol

Warrior Battles will still include lists in the book and the two cut out
armies so that people can play *that* game - intended to be our intro game -

straight from the package without needing a document off the web (or even
figures! lol).

Note also that the web version of FW will include a consolidated list rule
section, so you can get for free all of the list rules from the books in one

place until we publish Warrior Armies (the master list book).

Thoughts?

jon




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[Bill Chriss]

> Fellow Warriors
>
> Consider the following and offer your opinion on it, please.
>
> We take Fast Warrior out of the main rule book and offer the revised
> version
> for free on the web.
>


Fine by me.


-Greek

[Greg Preston]

Jon wrote...

>Consider the following and offer your opinion on it, please.
>
>We take Fast Warrior out of the main rule book and offer the revised version
>
>for free on the web.
>
>

Love the idea of having the FW armies on the web. However would be sad to
see them go completely from the Rule book.

What about having a few -matched pairs- of FW armies in the rule book
(based around key ancient and Med battles)- perhaps one pair for each
Warrior army list book. So you could have "Marathon" with Greek and
Persians - both armies and a short battle overview on a single page- one
pair per List book.

This might give newcomers a "taste" and encourage all to seek out the other
FW armies on the web.

Greg P.


Greg Preston
Lecturer in Education and Arts
Manager, Web-based Learning and Development
School of Education
Email: edgdp@...
Ph: +61(02) 49215891 Post: School of Education
Fax: +61(02) 49217196 Newcastle University
University Drive
Callaghan 2308 NSW
Australia

[Doug]

It seems to me that Warrior Battles ought to be the freebie in order
to get people to dip their toe into what many perceive (correctly
!!!) as a very complicated rules system.

If a person likes WB then he might be willing to pay his money & more
importantly, invest the time required to learn Warrior.

Without mentors, I don't think many "uninitiated" Warrior buyers
would be able to learn the game without starting with the Fast
Warrior game size.

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[Mark Stone]

Jon,

I have always thought that Fast Warrior was a necessary but stop-gap measure
until Warrior Battles could be tackled. Fast Warrior was something you guys
could get out quickly that offered a variant of Warrior that could easily be
played in under two hours.

The problem with Fast Warrior is that it isn't really any less complex to learn
that the full Warrior game, meaning it is only a slight improvement over
Warrior itself as a teaching tool. Under the circumstances you faced in the
beginning, I think you _had_ to do Fast Warrior, but in my opinion it is a
product that will soon become obsolete, or at least rather different.

As a Warrior alternative to DBA I suppose it could have some ongoing future
life, but I haven't seen an impressive turnout for Fast Warrior events in
Lancaster. That may, of course, have something to do with the timing of those
events.

In any case, I would say that you have little to lose and a lot to gain by
moving Fast Warrior to a Web-only home.


-Mark Stone

[joncleaves]

My thoughts, too, Mark

Although I will be taking a serious look at Greg's idea of a much reduced set of
feature lists version using some famous matched historical pairs, which is what
is planned for Warrior Battles.

J

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stone <mark@...>
To: warrior <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:45:38 +0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Out of the box idea - opinions wanted


Jon,

I have always thought that Fast Warrior was a necessary but stop-gap measure
until Warrior Battles could be tackled. Fast Warrior was something you guys
could get out quickly that offered a variant of Warrior that could easily be
played in under two hours.

The problem with Fast Warrior is that it isn't really any less complex to learn
that the full Warrior game, meaning it is only a slight improvement over
Warrior itself as a teaching tool. Under the circumstances you faced in the
beginning, I think you _had_ to do Fast Warrior, but in my opinion it is a
product that will soon become obsolete, or at least rather different.

As a Warrior alternative to DBA I suppose it could have some ongoing future
life, but I haven't seen an impressive turnout for Fast Warrior events in
Lancaster. That may, of course, have something to do with the timing of those
events.

In any case, I would say that you have little to lose and a lot to gain by
moving Fast Warrior to a Web-only home.


-Mark Stone




Yahoo! Groups Links






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I am still very new to warrior so forgive my ignorance but what
exactly will be the scope of the new rulebook and warrior battles so
that I am better able to answer your question.

-Brinton

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> My thoughts, too, Mark
>
> Although I will be taking a serious look at Greg's idea of a much
reduced set of feature lists version using some famous matched
historical pairs, which is what is planned for Warrior Battles.
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Stone <mark@d...>
> To: warrior <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:45:38 +0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Out of the box idea - opinions wanted
>
>
> Jon,
>
> I have always thought that Fast Warrior was a necessary but stop-
gap measure
> until Warrior Battles could be tackled. Fast Warrior was something
you guys
> could get out quickly that offered a variant of Warrior that could
easily be
> played in under two hours.
>
> The problem with Fast Warrior is that it isn't really any less
complex to learn
> that the full Warrior game, meaning it is only a slight improvement
over
> Warrior itself as a teaching tool. Under the circumstances you
faced in the
> beginning, I think you _had_ to do Fast Warrior, but in my opinion
it is a
> product that will soon become obsolete, or at least rather
different.
>
> As a Warrior alternative to DBA I suppose it could have some
ongoing future
> life, but I haven't seen an impressive turnout for Fast Warrior
events in
> Lancaster. That may, of course, have something to do with the
timing of those
> events.
>
> In any case, I would say that you have little to lose and a lot to
gain by
> moving Fast Warrior to a Web-only home.
>
>
> -Mark Stone
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[joncleaves]

The revised rulebook will be a professionally laid out and printed verison of
the current rulebook with clarifications added. Still Warrior just as it is
now.

Warrior Battles is our next project. It is an introductory ancients game that
uses the same basing and troops types and many of the same concepts as Warrior,
but it far simpler and plays in an hour.

J


-----Original Message-----
From: Brinton <brwilliams@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:59:13 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Out of the box idea - opinions wanted


I am still very new to warrior so forgive my ignorance but what
exactly will be the scope of the new rulebook and warrior battles so
that I am better able to answer your question.

-Brinton

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> My thoughts, too, Mark
>
> Although I will be taking a serious look at Greg's idea of a much
reduced set of feature lists version using some famous matched
historical pairs, which is what is planned for Warrior Battles.
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Stone <mark@d...>
> To: warrior <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:45:38 +0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Out of the box idea - opinions wanted
>
>
> Jon,
>
> I have always thought that Fast Warrior was a necessary but stop-
gap measure
> until Warrior Battles could be tackled. Fast Warrior was something
you guys
> could get out quickly that offered a variant of Warrior that could
easily be
> played in under two hours.
>
> The problem with Fast Warrior is that it isn't really any less
complex to learn
> that the full Warrior game, meaning it is only a slight improvement
over
> Warrior itself as a teaching tool. Under the circumstances you
faced in the
> beginning, I think you _had_ to do Fast Warrior, but in my opinion
it is a
> product that will soon become obsolete, or at least rather
different.
>
> As a Warrior alternative to DBA I suppose it could have some
ongoing future
> life, but I haven't seen an impressive turnout for Fast Warrior
events in
> Lancaster. That may, of course, have something to do with the
timing of those
> events.
>
> In any case, I would say that you have little to lose and a lot to
gain by
> moving Fast Warrior to a Web-only home.
>
>
> -Mark Stone
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







Yahoo! Groups Links






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As an introductory game do you believe warrior battles is an
introduction...or fast play. As in...will I learn warrior battles and
feel it is a cut down version of the game and want to play warrior,
or would I be able to play warrior battles, feel it is a complete
(but simplified) game and only if I want bigger, longer, much more
detailed experience will I decide to move on to warrior? Do you
envision the same people playing warrior battles and warrior
depending on the situation...or is battles an introduction to get
more people into warrior at which time they ditch warrior battles
(except as a training tool for new players).

In any case...I would like to say that Fast Warrior can defintley go
out of the main rulebook if warrior battles is being offered. Having
played fast warrior, it didn't honestly seem much simpler than the
one other game of warrior I played. I would defintley offer some
clear starting armies though in the main rulebook as currently I am
struggling as a new player to understand how building a list works.

-Brinton

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> The revised rulebook will be a professionally laid out and printed
verison of the current rulebook with clarifications added. Still
Warrior just as it is now.
>
> Warrior Battles is our next project. It is an introductory
ancients game that uses the same basing and troops types and many of
the same concepts as Warrior, but it far simpler and plays in an hour.
>
> J
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brinton <brwilliams@a...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:59:13 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Out of the box idea - opinions wanted
>
>
> I am still very new to warrior so forgive my ignorance but what
> exactly will be the scope of the new rulebook and warrior battles
so
> that I am better able to answer your question.
>
> -Brinton
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > My thoughts, too, Mark
> >
> > Although I will be taking a serious look at Greg's idea of a much
> reduced set of feature lists version using some famous matched
> historical pairs, which is what is planned for Warrior Battles.
> >
> > J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Stone <mark@d...>
> > To: warrior <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:45:38 +0000
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Out of the box idea - opinions wanted
> >
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > I have always thought that Fast Warrior was a necessary but stop-
> gap measure
> > until Warrior Battles could be tackled. Fast Warrior was
something
> you guys
> > could get out quickly that offered a variant of Warrior that
could
> easily be
> > played in under two hours.
> >
> > The problem with Fast Warrior is that it isn't really any less
> complex to learn
> > that the full Warrior game, meaning it is only a slight
improvement
> over
> > Warrior itself as a teaching tool. Under the circumstances you
> faced in the
> > beginning, I think you _had_ to do Fast Warrior, but in my
opinion
> it is a
> > product that will soon become obsolete, or at least rather
> different.
> >
> > As a Warrior alternative to DBA I suppose it could have some
> ongoing future
> > life, but I haven't seen an impressive turnout for Fast Warrior
> events in
> > Lancaster. That may, of course, have something to do with the
> timing of those
> > events.
> >
> > In any case, I would say that you have little to lose and a lot
to
> gain by
> > moving Fast Warrior to a Web-only home.
> >
> >
> > -Mark Stone
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Jon
As a very new newbie of only 3 games since your instructional game
with me.
I would personally say to split them as at this time my main interest
is the full/regular Warrior and learning more of this really cool
system and also the glorious day in the far distant future that my
Theban army is able to overcome there generals lack of IQ and go on to
glorious Victory.
In the Future, if I wanted to play Fast Warrior I can always download
it from the website.

Great Idea Jon

The web version could even be updated with errata and new lists or
rules modifications as well.

Those non 'net players would still want to play someone who WOULD ahve
a set of the rules and therefore just photocopy them - we do those
sorts of things in Australia - I am sure you USA guys can get up to
speed on this too!

;)

Tibor

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> Fellow Warriors
>
> Consider the following and offer your opinion on it, please.
>
> We take Fast Warrior out of the main rule book and offer the revised
version
> for free on the web.
>
> Here's the thinking. Those who want to use Fast Warrior will still
be able
> to. The pages and work saved by not having it in the revised
rulebook will
> keep costs more managable and will remove the last remaining potential
> obstacle to getting the revised book out according to our new
timeline (to the
> printers in October, available at Fall In.
>
> The downside is that an impulse Warrior buyer who does not use, or
refuses
> to use, the web will not have access to Fast Warrior. But then who
is that,
> really? lol
>
> Warrior Battles will still include lists in the book and the two cut
out
> armies so that people can play *that* game - intended to be our
intro game -
> straight from the package without needing a document off the web (or
even
> figures! lol).
>
> Note also that the web version of FW will include a consolidated
list rule
> section, so you can get for free all of the list rules from the
books in one
> place until we publish Warrior Armies (the master list book).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/14/2005 08:31:07 Central Standard Time,
edward_sturges@... writes:

As someone who has fiddled around with FW and got confused by the
lists therein I would definitely favour removing it from the
rulebook. If, in line with Greg P's suggestion, you keep examples
then you could present some example armies of 600-800 points and
reinforcements to take them to 1200 or 1600 to show how lists were
built?



Good idea. Something we will do for free if we can't fit it into the rule
book.

Of course, our players could always post some examples of that. And Warrior
Clinic #1 in the files section is about how to buy a list....

Jon


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Jon

As someone who has fiddled around with FW and got confused by the
lists therein I would definitely favour removing it from the
rulebook. If, in line with Greg P's suggestion, you keep examples
then you could present some example armies of 600-800 points and
reinforcements to take them to 1200 or 1600 to show how lists were
built?

Regards

Edward

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> Fellow Warriors
>
> Consider the following and offer your opinion on it, please.
>
> We take Fast Warrior out of the main rule book and offer the
revised version
> for free on the web.
>
> Here's the thinking. Those who want to use Fast Warrior will still
be able
> to. The pages and work saved by not having it in the revised
rulebook will
> keep costs more managable and will remove the last remaining
potential
> obstacle to getting the revised book out according to our new
timeline (to the
> printers in October, available at Fall In.
>
> The downside is that an impulse Warrior buyer who does not use, or
refuses
> to use, the web will not have access to Fast Warrior. But then who
is that,
> really? lol
>
> Warrior Battles will still include lists in the book and the two
cut out
> armies so that people can play *that* game - intended to be our
intro game -
> straight from the package without needing a document off the web
(or even
> figures! lol).
>
> Note also that the web version of FW will include a consolidated
list rule
> section, so you can get for free all of the list rules from the
books in one
> place until we publish Warrior Armies (the master list book).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]