Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Mike Bard]

I apologize for not getting back earlier, but I haven't been feeling well
for the last couple of weeks. Nothing bad, just a nagging minor flu.
Fortunately it seems to be done now.

Please check the numbers below if you have volunteered figures, if you have
figures and have not yet volunteered, please let me know. Paradoxically we
seem to have lots of Persians but be woefully short of Greeks.

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Persians

JIM (jrd107usa)
124 Persian Foot w/JLS B SH
124 Persian Foot w/B
24 Persian HC w/JLS, B
24 Persian HC w/JLS
Doug
66 Ral Partha Medes
20 Persian Hv Cavalry (unpainted)
18 Persian Lt Cavalry (unpainted)
39 Skythian Lt Cav JLS (unpainted)
Edward Kollmer
30 Persian Immortals
18 Skythian Cavalry

Totals:
344 Persian Foot (painted)
48 Persian HC (painted)
18 Skythian LC (painted)
another 87 cavalry unpainted

Greeks

Doug
35 Greek HC/LC (unpainted)
21 Thessalian HC (unpainted)
23 Paionian LC (unpainted)
12 Thracian LC (unpainted)

Kelly Wilkinson
64 Hoplites (if S Holder vouch for safety and travel)

Scott H
72 Hoplites

Mike B
160 Hoplites
16 Greek LC
6 Greek HC

Totals:
296 Hoplites
16 LC
6 HC
46 HC (unpainted)
35 LC (unpainted)

So...
At 50:1-
The Greeks need 400 more hoplites
The Persians need 250 more foot, about 100 more cavalry, and about 300
hoplites
At 100:1-
The Greeks need 140 more hoplites
The Persians need some of the available figures of cavalry to be painted,
and 150 more hoplites

In other words, so much for a shortage of Persians.

I can probably commit to painting 100 more hoplites by next year which means
that we need another 200 hoplites from other sources. If we can find the
hoplites I think that this is achievable.

Note1: This does not include lights, but I can't see lights being a problem
as they can be scavanged from any classical army. Assuming I can get
commitments for the missing figures at 100:1 I'll work out some hard numbers
including lights.

Note2: At 100:1 the figures needed (ignoring lights) are roughly:

Persians:
100 Immortals
100 Medes
110 Other Infantry
100 Cavalry
150 Hoplites

Greeks:
50 Spartans
300 Hoplites

This will probably be on the order of 5000pts per side, which suggests a
5'x20' table.

Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy

[Mike Bard]

It seems that the first attempt to send this vanished in the mists, so here
I go again...

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I apologize for not getting back earlier, but I haven't been feeling well
for the last couple of weeks. Nothing bad, just a nagging minor flu.
Fortunately it seems to be done now.

Please check the numbers below if you have volunteered figures, if you have
figures and have not yet volunteered, please let me know. Paradoxically we
seem to have lots of Persians but be woefully short of Greeks.

------------------------------

Persians

JIM (jrd107usa)
124 Persian Foot w/JLS B SH
124 Persian Foot w/B
24 Persian HC w/JLS, B
24 Persian HC w/JLS
Doug
66 Ral Partha Medes
20 Persian Hv Cavalry (unpainted)
18 Persian Lt Cavalry (unpainted)
39 Skythian Lt Cav JLS (unpainted)
Edward Kollmer
30 Persian Immortals
18 Skythian Cavalry

Totals:
344 Persian Foot (painted)
48 Persian HC (painted)
18 Skythian LC (painted)
another 87 cavalry unpainted

Greeks

Doug
35 Greek HC/LC (unpainted)
21 Thessalian HC (unpainted)
23 Paionian LC (unpainted)
12 Thracian LC (unpainted)

Kelly Wilkinson
64 Hoplites (if S Holder vouch for safety and travel)

Scott H
72 Hoplites

Mike B
160 Hoplites
16 Greek LC
6 Greek HC

Totals:
296 Hoplites
16 LC
6 HC
46 HC (unpainted)
35 LC (unpainted)

So...
At 50:1-
The Greeks need 400 more hoplites
The Persians need 250 more foot, about 100 more cavalry, and about 300
hoplites
At 100:1-
The Greeks need 140 more hoplites
The Persians need some of the available figures of cavalry to be painted,
and 150 more hoplites

In other words, so much for a shortage of Persians.

I can probably commit to painting 100 more hoplites by next year which
means
that we need another 200 hoplites from other sources. If we can find the
hoplites I think that this is achievable.

Note1: This does not include lights, but I can't see lights being a problem
as they can be scavanged from any classical army. Assuming I can get
commitments for the missing figures at 100:1 I'll work out some hard
numbers
including lights.

Note2: At 100:1 the figures needed (ignoring lights) are roughly:

Persians:
100 Immortals
100 Medes
110 Other Infantry
100 Cavalry
150 Hoplites

Greeks:
50 Spartans
300 Hoplites

This will probably be on the order of 5000pts per side, which suggests a
5'x20' table.

Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy

Where and when will you refight this battle? I have most of the
Persians you need.
Dave Beatty


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Bard" <mwbard@r...>
wrote:
> It seems that the first attempt to send this vanished in the mists,
so here
> I go again...
>
> -----------------------------------
>
>
> I apologize for not getting back earlier, but I haven't been
feeling well
> for the last couple of weeks. Nothing bad, just a nagging minor
flu.
> Fortunately it seems to be done now.
>
> Please check the numbers below if you have volunteered figures, if
you have
> figures and have not yet volunteered, please let me know.
Paradoxically we
> seem to have lots of Persians but be woefully short of Greeks.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Persians
>
> JIM (jrd107usa)
> 124 Persian Foot w/JLS B SH
> 124 Persian Foot w/B
> 24 Persian HC w/JLS, B
> 24 Persian HC w/JLS
> Doug
> 66 Ral Partha Medes
> 20 Persian Hv Cavalry (unpainted)
> 18 Persian Lt Cavalry (unpainted)
> 39 Skythian Lt Cav JLS (unpainted)
> Edward Kollmer
> 30 Persian Immortals
> 18 Skythian Cavalry
>
> Totals:
> 344 Persian Foot (painted)
> 48 Persian HC (painted)
> 18 Skythian LC (painted)
> another 87 cavalry unpainted
>
> Greeks
>
> Doug
> 35 Greek HC/LC (unpainted)
> 21 Thessalian HC (unpainted)
> 23 Paionian LC (unpainted)
> 12 Thracian LC (unpainted)
>
> Kelly Wilkinson
> 64 Hoplites (if S Holder vouch for safety and travel)
>
> Scott H
> 72 Hoplites
>
> Mike B
> 160 Hoplites
> 16 Greek LC
> 6 Greek HC
>
> Totals:
> 296 Hoplites
> 16 LC
> 6 HC
> 46 HC (unpainted)
> 35 LC (unpainted)
>
> So...
> At 50:1-
> The Greeks need 400 more hoplites
> The Persians need 250 more foot, about 100 more cavalry, and about
300
> hoplites
> At 100:1-
> The Greeks need 140 more hoplites
> The Persians need some of the available figures of cavalry to be
painted,
> and 150 more hoplites
>
> In other words, so much for a shortage of Persians.
>
> I can probably commit to painting 100 more hoplites by next year
which
> means
> that we need another 200 hoplites from other sources. If we can
find the
> hoplites I think that this is achievable.
>
> Note1: This does not include lights, but I can't see lights being
a problem
> as they can be scavanged from any classical army. Assuming I can
get
> commitments for the missing figures at 100:1 I'll work out some
hard
> numbers
> including lights.
>
> Note2: At 100:1 the figures needed (ignoring lights) are roughly:
>
> Persians:
> 100 Immortals
> 100 Medes
> 110 Other Infantry
> 100 Cavalry
> 150 Hoplites
>
> Greeks:
> 50 Spartans
> 300 Hoplites
>
> This will probably be on the order of 5000pts per side, which
suggests a
> 5'x20' table.
>
> Michael Bard
> That Greek Hoplite Guy

[Mike Bard]

You have the figures for the 100:1 which I can comprehend, or the 50:1 (in
which case I might just run screaming from the room)? Regardless, the plan
is to run it at Cold Wars over most of the convention. At the very least
Thursday night for setup and Friday for the game, though I expect it to move
over into Saturday.

Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy


> Where and when will you refight this battle? I have most of the
> Persians you need.
> Dave Beatty

[John Murphy]

By the way, Michael and all...

I do not have the figures to help you in this.

But it is the greatest and most exciting thing that has come along in
a while. I would like to play, but would happily give up taking up a
seat at the table and like so much more even to help you guys out
with whatever else I can do.

When you reach the point where you are ready to start looking at more
than gathering up the figures, a necessary first step, please put
some posts out asking for help again.

I could see throwing posters and signs up at the convention with
pictures of your figures advertising the event. I could see a real
nice write-up for the PEL description and maybe an actual photo ad in
the PEL (there are organizations that might be happy to jump in and
provide any monetary resources required for such and it is worth
asking them when you firm up your plans). I could see bringing in
some extra lighting and sound support, and all the summary charts
expertise which this group could offer. And I could see advertising
and giving out some prizes for the new players. Assuming, of course,
you would be interested in such an extravaganza taking things that
far.

But hey even if I could just even sharpen pencils for you or collect
up dice or help set-up/clean-up I'm happy to help out in any way I am
able which you need.

I know it is still very much ahead of time but I presume those who
plan space usage at Cold Wars will help you out and see if the
monster can be put on in the ancients tourney area, if that is what
you had in mind?

Is the idea to allow players to come and go each day or part of a day
just to try it out, while continuing the battle? Or are you looking
more for a committment of a single large block of time from everyone?
Or a mixture of these like say the CinC's dedicated for the most of
the con but the players being more newbies who would swap in and out?

I think you may have touched on this in your original post but I
admit I have forgotten if you have.

I do not think for the size you are looking at that you would really
have trouble if more than a dozen or so newbies wanted to play each
session based on what they saw at the convention site, would you? Or
are you really looking at this more purely as a service for existing
Warrior players?

Would you need some more experienced players to run through a mental
exercise and try to figure out how many bounds you might expect the
battle to last, as a starting point for playtest and time planning?

Does anyone even have any experience with 5000-pt games?

Have you talked to anyone who has done this kind of thing before in
terms of what might be good ideas for planning it? Would you be
interested if someone here could put you in touch with such a person?

[Doug]

Note that my Medes are also not yet painted.

I do have 12 stands of 4 = 48 Hoplites which ARE painted.

Also 3 stands of Cavalry from an Etruscan DBA army which look Greek
to me, painted.

I just obtained the following bags of Old Glory:

one of TTW-01 Spearmen, Tower Shield (Trojan War)
two of TTW-02 Spearmen, Figure Eight Shield
one of TTW-10 Trojan Heroes in Chariots 1

one of PPP-02 Persian 4-Horse Scythed Chariot
one of PPP-11 Persian Heavy Cavalry (Hellenistic/Punic Wars)
two of PPP-12 Persian Extra Heavy Cavalry

one of PPH-02 Noble Heavy Cavalry (Scythians)

> Doug
> 66 Ral Partha Medes
> 20 Persian Hv Cavalry (unpainted)
> 18 Persian Lt Cavalry (unpainted)
> 39 Skythian Lt Cav JLS (unpainted)
>
> Greeks
>
> Doug
> 35 Greek HC/LC (unpainted)
> 21 Thessalian HC (unpainted)
> 23 Paionian LC (unpainted)
> 12 Thracian LC (unpainted)
>
>
--

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Hi Michael and warrior friends. We can make this (Platea) refight a
real spectacular sight. Not only with the amount of figures in use,
but also with great looking terrain.We are still very short in that
catogory. I suggest that at hcon we all get together and discuss
this.Anyone that is interested is welcome to attend. (even if you
just want to push lead.) Maybe,Michael you will have a blueprint or
rough sketch on what the battlefield might look like(Terrain wise.)
also we will need a OOB for both sides. don't get to crazy with
terrain or the OOB,we could fugit a little.Exsample, In the Persain
rear zone, put a river and their camp.In the Greeks rear zone put
some rolling hills and a camp. Elsewhere, Here and there put a hill
and a marsh, but keeping the center zone mostly open. As for the OOB,
that is a little tougher. 8,000 Athenians divided by 100 =80
figs.that could be two 24 man units and one 32 man units. the
Immortals, 10,000 divided by 100= 100 figures or 4- 24 man units.The
smaller the numbers the harder it gets to make a unit. But we can
merge them into one unit.I could see that we will need at lest 6-
players per side.So there is room for all levels of players. If
anyone has suggestions on how to improve on this attempt to replay
history, please post in. Jim