Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Chris Bump]

I have ruined another batch and the last batch of figs by ever using
armory primer again. I have given this $%*&% product multiple passes
and tried every hint I can find on line about distance from the figs,
length of shaking the can etc. I will never use this stuff again and
have 1.5 large cans that anyone can have for just the cost of postage.

having said that, what are others using? Actually, what are others
using with consistent success?
Thanks,
Chris

[joncleaves]

Chris, I use Games Workshop black and white primer, depending. Never had a
problem. Their clear matte sucks, but the primers are fine.

Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: cncbump <cncbump@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:17:31 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Priming


I have ruined another batch and the last batch of figs by ever using
armory primer again. I have given this $%*&% product multiple passes
and tried every hint I can find on line about distance from the figs,
length of shaking the can etc. I will never use this stuff again and
have 1.5 large cans that anyone can have for just the cost of postage.

having said that, what are others using? Actually, what are others
using with consistent success?
Thanks,
Chris






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[Mike Turner]

Chris,
I would 2nd Jon's choice in using GW's primer, I would also invest in
a dehumidifier. Removing moisture from the air in the area where you
are spraying is critical to getting a good coating.

Mike

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> Chris, I use Games Workshop black and white primer, depending.
Never had a problem. Their clear matte sucks, but the primers are
fine.
>
> Jon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cncbump <cncbump@v...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:17:31 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Priming
>
>
> I have ruined another batch and the last batch of figs by ever
using
> armory primer again. I have given this $%*&% product multiple
passes
> and tried every hint I can find on line about distance from the
figs,
> length of shaking the can etc. I will never use this stuff again
and
> have 1.5 large cans that anyone can have for just the cost of
postage.
>
> having said that, what are others using? Actually, what are others
> using with consistent success?
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
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>
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[Todd Kaeser]

Chris,

Personally, I use a flat black can of spray paint as my primer - right from Home
Depot. Primer seems too gritty for me and a nice coat of black spray paint does
the job for me everytime.

Todd Kaeser

turner1118 <Turnerm@...> wrote:
Chris,
I would 2nd Jon's choice in using GW's primer, I would also invest in
a dehumidifier. Removing moisture from the air in the area where you
are spraying is critical to getting a good coating.

Mike

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> Chris, I use Games Workshop black and white primer, depending.
Never had a problem. Their clear matte sucks, but the primers are
fine.
>
> Jon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cncbump <cncbump@v...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:17:31 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Priming
>
>
> I have ruined another batch and the last batch of figs by ever
using
> armory primer again. I have given this $%*&% product multiple
passes
> and tried every hint I can find on line about distance from the
figs,
> length of shaking the can etc. I will never use this stuff again
and
> have 1.5 large cans that anyone can have for just the cost of
postage.
>
> having said that, what are others using? Actually, what are others
> using with consistent success?
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Bill Chriss]

> Chris,
>
> Personally, I use a flat black can of spray paint as my primer - right
> from Home Depot. Primer seems too gritty for me and a nice coat of black
> spray paint does the job for me everytime.
>
> Todd Kaeser
>
>

I, too, have used this method with Krylon flat black spray paint. However,
I prefer krylon black spray primer, which is almost as easy to find (Home
Depot, etc.) It comes in a large can and is, I think, relatively cheap
therefore in comparison to specialized hobby products in smaller cans.
While I appreciate Todd's preference re: grittiness, I find that the
primer has more tendency to evaporate, so that you needn't worry as much
about overspray or obscuring figure detail. Even when I think i've used
too much to make sure all pits and grooves are covered, I'm usually
surprised by how good the result is with the evaporation. It's obviously
best to use two or three thin coats, though, and it does help that I can
set them out to dry on my patio in the spring/summer/fall sun where the
pavement is hot enough to fry an egg! Todd, if I remember his location
correctly, does not have that advantage!


-Greek

[Doug]

I think I have 2 cans of Partha Primer left. After that I guess I'll
just go to plastics...

I'd like to second Todd's use of home depot flat black.

I prime everything twice. Once with any flat black that is cheap, going
slowly and getting EVERY low spot, and then again a day later with
rustolium red/brown. I dislike the "too dark" nature of black shadow,
but have grown too lazy to use white primer for anything but very
bright, multi-drybrush layered fancy stuff, so my compromise is the
red/brown over black. Straight from the can, you'll be surprised at how
much color layering you can do over black, from a really dark brown to a
near red, just by moving the can closer or farther. The result is a
solid undercoat that lasts for years, AND variable, warm (colored) base
for painting. It is especially effective under flesh, browns and tans,
and reds--which are colors that most historical armies seem to use a
great deal... It saves hours of painting on horses...
Tjhere is also (and I ain't joking) a morale advantage for the
painter. once you learn to airbrush from the can, you'll layer browns
over the black with ease and the result (with some black low-lights
left) will look remarkably "finished" which I find helps me turn 63 figs
of primed lead into 63 Scythian nobles with less feeling of "oh help!
I'll never finish these poor blighters!"

As usual, just my two cents.

>
>

[Don Coon]

This is what I use as well.

Don

> Chris,
>
> Personally, I use a flat black can of spray paint as my primer - right
> from Home Depot. Primer seems too gritty for me and a nice coat of black
> spray paint does the job for me everytime.
>
> Todd Kaeser

[Mark Stone]

--- On September 15 Christian said: ---

> once you learn to airbrush from the can, you'll layer browns
> over the black with ease and the result (with some black low-lights
> left) will look remarkably "finished"

This reminds me of a question I ponder from time to time: does anyone use an
actual airbrush as one of their painting tools?

I have always assumed that airbrushing would be to "coarse" for the level of
detail we need. But one of my wife's best friends is a "nail artist". She uses
an airbrush and acrylic paint for doing women's nails, and gets some remarkably
detailed designs into that small space. Of course she said she just about gave
up and threw her airbrush machine through the window several times during the
months she spent teaching herself this technique.

Anyway, just curious if anyone has any experience using an airbrush.


-Mark

[Mike Turner]

I know several guys who use their airbrushes to prime with. This way
they can dilute the primer down to the finest covering and keep the
detail of the lead.

Mike


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Mark Stone <mark@d...> wrote:
> --- On September 15 Christian said: ---
>
> > once you learn to airbrush from the can, you'll layer browns
> > over the black with ease and the result (with some black low-
lights
> > left) will look remarkably "finished"
>
> This reminds me of a question I ponder from time to time: does
anyone use an
> actual airbrush as one of their painting tools?
>
> I have always assumed that airbrushing would be to "coarse" for the
level of
> detail we need. But one of my wife's best friends is a "nail
artist". She uses
> an airbrush and acrylic paint for doing women's nails, and gets
some remarkably
> detailed designs into that small space. Of course she said she just
about gave
> up and threw her airbrush machine through the window several times
during the
> months she spent teaching herself this technique.
>
> Anyway, just curious if anyone has any experience using an airbrush.
>
>
> -Mark

Priming is something I take VERY seriously – because like you, I have ruined
figs with the wrong product or the wrong technique…

I prime using Rust-o-leum Flat Black. It has a fine texture (no grit) and
great coverage. Another reason I use it is the fact that it is very durable
and gives great protection to my figs when in use. I have also experimented
(with some success) with the Rust-O-leum Camouflage Brown. The coverage isn
’t as good, but once complete the shade is great for dirty barbarians! It
just takes some extra passes (which adds about a day to my painting
process)…predominantly Steel armor or cooler colors (blues, etc.) – prime
with black. Warmer colors (reds, yellows, oranges, etc.) use the brown –
you won’t regret it.

I usually take several passes (lightly each time) from as many angles as I
possibly can. I allow them to dry completely before adding another coat –
which is usually after I have turned them upside down and sideways, etc, to
insure good coverage. Most importantly – DO NOT start or stop spraying on
your figs…keep the can moving at all times and move past the figs before
stopping (or starting). I have great luck with this and have not lost any
details (or figs.).

Just my 2 cents…good luck!


-----Original Message-----
From: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of cncbump
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:18 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] Priming

I have ruined another batch and the last batch of figs by ever using
armory primer again. I have given this $%*&% product multiple passes
and tried every hint I can find on line about distance from the figs,
length of shaking the can etc. I will never use this stuff again and
have 1.5 large cans that anyone can have for just the cost of postage.

having said that, what are others using? Actually, what are others
using with consistent success?
Thanks,
Chris




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