Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Mark Stone]

Jon,

This question came up in a game last night. I've uploaded a diagram to
illustrate the situation (interpen.jpg in the files section for the group).

In the previous bound, Blue had a HC unit in skirmish that took 2 CPF in prep
and rallied back. This bound Red has approached with his LI, and it is now
Blue's approach move. That led to the positioning in the diagram, where Red has
every hope of using its LI Bow unit to pile on more shooting to the HC and
induce a waver test. In Blue's approach move, he wants to move his LI forward
through his HC.

Blue's LI does not have enough movement to get clear of the HC, but I guess
that's the old 7th player in me thinking that matters. Upon inspection, all we
could find in the rules on this point was 6.52, paragraph 4:

"Elements that cannot move clear when interprenetrating, replaced in combat, or
bursting or breaking through, are inserted immediately beyond the first body
met.... if any elements move clear, the whole body does."

This would seem to say that since some of Blue's LI elements make it into the
HC, they are inserted beyond (in between the HC and Red's LI). It would also
seem to say that since some elements are inserted beyond, the whole LI body is
moved to line up with the elements inserted beyond.

Two things puzzle me about this reading: first, it allows Blue's LI to move more
than 120 paces. By itself, that's not such a big deal. Interpenetration is
funky, and sometimes you have to make allowances to get a reasonable appearance
on table of where units are. Second, it allows a unit that did not have the
movement to get into shooting range to in fact get into shooting range. That
seems wrong, and seems like a recipe for a whole host of sleazy tournament
tactics that I haven't seen in more than a decade.

So am I reading this right, that this is indeed a tactic for "teleporting" units
into shooting range, or is there some other consideration that I've overlooked
here?


-Mark Stone

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/15/2004 10:07:50 Central Daylight Time,
mark@... writes:
Two things puzzle me about this reading: first, it allows Blue's LI to move
more
than 120 paces. By itself, that's not such a big deal. Interpenetration is
funky, and sometimes you have to make allowances to get a reasonable
appearance
on table of where units are. Second, it allows a unit that did not have the
movement to get into shooting range to in fact get into shooting range. That
seems wrong, and seems like a recipe for a whole host of sleazy tournament
tactics that I haven't seen in more than a decade.

So am I reading this right, that this is indeed a tactic for "teleporting"
units
into shooting range, or is there some other consideration that I've overlooked
here?
Good issue, Mark. I thought I had put something in the rules to prevent
this, but it only turned out to be a half solution. My intent is to just let
the
interpenetration happen, but not allow abuse of going further than your tac
move.

here's my interim fix until i can get a formal one out:

"A body that moves more than its tactical move distance in an approach or
counter move (possible due to an interpenetration) cannot shoot in the
preparatory shooting phase or declare a charge. It can respond to charges
normally."

J


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