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		Patrick Byrne Centurion
  
 
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				 Posted: Wed May 29, 2002 4:31 pm    Post subject: Roman Tournay Armies | 
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> From: Quahog25@...
 
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
 
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:01:47 EDT
 
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
 
> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules]legionaries weak?
 
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> Their problem in all Barker based sets is their vulnerability to
 
> attack cav, which is why Caesar has such a terrible record in tournaments.
 
> (As another contributor to this List very perceptibly asked - name ONE
 
> example, out of all Ancient history, where cavalry rode down infantry
 
> frontally. It was very rare.)
 
 
 
I have seen the Romans be not so good in tourney's, but that's usually
 
because it is a timed event.
 
 
While playing at home, we play most games to foreseeable conclusion.  In
 
these cases, the Romans usually take the Cav charge, and the true test of
 
the battle are the waver checks made by the adjacent legionaries.  Being B
 
class, their chances are rather good.  Often times the Legionaries are able
 
to support themselves and counterattack.
 
 
So I ask, are weak legionaries a tournament issue or is it a game issue?  so
 
much to where the Roman's can't win on the field of battle given a full days
 
fight?
 
 
If it is just a tournament issue, then I would think the tournaments have
 
there special rule or make it some sort of X-rule that gets instigated.
 
 
 
BTW, I think it would be overkill to give the MIR just one more advantage
 
against cav.
 
-PB
 
 
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		scott holder Moderator
  
  
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				 Posted: Wed May 29, 2002 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Roman Tournay Armies | 
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BTW, I think it would be overkill to give the MIR just one more
 
advantage
 
against cav.
 
 
>Heh heh, don't expect to see that from me!  By the second half of the
 
MIR period, the tactical system of roman legions was drastically
 
different due to changing manpower issues and external threats.
 
 
>Everything I've discussed to date centers on the Marian and EIR
 
periods.
 
 
>Good point from another email regarding "timed games".  We found the
 
EIR Romans in FW against the Armenians did exactly that, suck up the cav
 
charge and out-grind the opponent and pass waver tests.  If you roll 1s
 
on waver tests, you deserve to lose:) :)
 
 
Scott
 
List Ho
 
 
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		Greg Regets Imperator
  
 
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				 Posted: Wed May 29, 2002 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Roman Tournay Armies | 
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Patrick ...
 
 
Perfect timing! See the last post and you will get my opinion on why the Romans
 
have been beaten in our tournaments. If you want specific examples of each game
 
I was involved in (or watched as a referee)against the Romans, please email me
 
offline.
 
 
Greg
 
gar@...
 
   ----- Original Message -----
 
   From: Patrick
 
   To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
 
   Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 8:31 AM
 
   Subject: [WarriorRules] Roman Tournay Armies
 
 
 
 
   > From: Quahog25@...
 
   > Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
 
   > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:01:47 EDT
 
   > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
 
   > Subject: Re: [WarriorRules]legionaries weak?
 
   >
 
   > Their problem in all Barker based sets is their vulnerability to
 
   > attack cav, which is why Caesar has such a terrible record in tournaments.
 
   > (As another contributor to this List very perceptibly asked - name ONE
 
   > example, out of all Ancient history, where cavalry rode down infantry
 
   > frontally. It was very rare.)
 
 
 
   I have seen the Romans be not so good in tourney's, but that's usually
 
   because it is a timed event.
 
 
   While playing at home, we play most games to foreseeable conclusion.  In
 
   these cases, the Romans usually take the Cav charge, and the true test of
 
   the battle are the waver checks made by the adjacent legionaries.  Being B
 
   class, their chances are rather good.  Often times the Legionaries are able
 
   to support themselves and counterattack.
 
 
   So I ask, are weak legionaries a tournament issue or is it a game issue?  so
 
   much to where the Roman's can't win on the field of battle given a full days
 
   fight?
 
 
   If it is just a tournament issue, then I would think the tournaments have
 
   there special rule or make it some sort of X-rule that gets instigated.
 
 
 
   BTW, I think it would be overkill to give the MIR just one more advantage
 
   against cav.
 
   -PB
 
 
 
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