Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

<<1. Can a unit be "seen" behind a ditch palisade at all
times, or can they be in "ambush" behind it if all
enemy are beyond the palisade?>>

Palisade does not block visibility.

<<2. Force marching palisades to the forward deployment
area. If I place them in the forward area without
someone force marched to set on it, will it stop enemy
marches at 240p or must there be someone there to do
so?>>

It will not stop an enemy march. Palisades are not bodies of troops.

<<3. Can the palisade be linear or must in encompass
something...ie baggage or town. What about if in
forward area?>>

It can be in any geometry given that each section of it is an element long.

<<4. Do you pay command points for ditch/palisade? Are
they attached to a particular unit, or is it just
something you buy like boulders?>>

No. No. Yes.

scott holder · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: RULES Palisade Questions

<<2. Force marching palisades to the forward deployment
area. If I place them in the forward area without
someone force marched to set on it, will it stop enemy
marches at 240p or must there be someone there to do
so?>>

It will not stop an enemy march. Palisades are not bodies of troops.

>Plus, read the General Concepts section of DAW. In that section, you
will note that if you "force march" temporary field fortifications (as
allowed for in a specific list), you *must* force march somebody to man
it.

Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 933

> It will not stop an enemy march. Palisades are not
> bodies of troops.

As I suspected, thanks

>
> >Plus, read the General Concepts section of DAW. In
> that section, you
> will note that if you "force march" temporary field
> fortifications (as
> allowed for in a specific list), you *must* force
> march somebody to man
> it.

DAMN! You mean people actually are supposed to read
that intro stuff? :)

boyd

I'm more interested in the other questions....got any
answers?

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Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 933

All as i forsaw, but given that I am wrong so many
times, I'm happy you and Scott clarified for me.
Thanks.

> It can be in any geometry given that each section of
> it is an element long.

Are corners non-play areas such as in DBM? For
example, a 90 degree turn in the palisade would be the
joint of two 1 Element wide peices, but this would
preclude putting two elements there to defend them.
The two elements would both exist in the corner at the
same time which is not legal.

Unlike mantlets, anyone can use the palisade correct?
Mounted? Elephants, chariots, orb?

boyd

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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

<<Are corners non-play areas such as in DBM? For
example, a 90 degree turn in the palisade would be the
joint of two 1 Element wide peices, but this would
preclude putting two elements there to defend them.
The two elements would both exist in the corner at the
same time which is not legal.>>

Palisades are terrain. You can have a 90 deg turn to protect another face of
the same unit, but right now, there is no way to have those two elements 'in the
same corner'. We will lok at something like this when we get to Siege Warrior
next year.

<<Unlike mantlets, anyone can use the palisade correct?
Mounted? Elephants, chariots, orb?>>

Palisades are terrain, specifically an obstacle. Anyone can 'use' terrain.

Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 933

> Palisades are terrain. You can have a 90 deg turn
> to protect another face of the same unit, but right
> now, there is no way to have those two elements 'in
> the same corner'. We will lok at something like
> this when we get to Siege Warrior next year.

As a suggestion, DBM does this well. A corner is not
counted as cost, nor playing area. Thus if you have a
corner, it is in addition to the paid for wall.
Simple and effective.

>
> <<Unlike mantlets, anyone can use the palisade
> correct?
> Mounted? Elephants, chariots, orb?>>
>
> Palisades are terrain, specifically an obstacle.
> Anyone can 'use' terrain.

So...I start with elephants behind the palisade, they
count shielded. Enemy move up to attack, and I charge
across the palisade with my elephants, to hit the
enemy in the ditch. As the enemy is in the ditch they
are disordred but my elephants which have just stomped
the palisade to enter the ditch are not.

Or I dismount my elephants behind the palisades and
form orb :)

boyd
thanks for the help jon

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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

<<So...I start with elephants behind the palisade, they
count shielded. Enemy move up to attack, and I charge
across the palisade with my elephants, to hit the
enemy in the ditch. As the enemy is in the ditch they
are disordred but my elephants which have just stomped
the palisade to enter the ditch are not.>>

I'm sorry. Are you aware of a list with elephants that can place a palisaded
ditch in the forward zone? Please let me know if you are, it will need
correcting.

<<Or I dismount my elephants behind the palisades and
form orb Smile

>>

I find this sort of comment, even if made in jest, very unmotivating and
unhelpful. Just so you know.

Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 933

> I'm sorry. Are you aware of a list with elephants
> that can place a palisaded ditch in the forward
> zone? Please let me know if you are, it will need
> correcting.

No and I really haven't bothered to look for such.

> <<Or I dismount my elephants behind the palisades
> and
> form orb Smile

>>
>
> I find this sort of comment, even if made in jest,
> very unmotivating and unhelpful. Just so you know.

I'm sorry you are unmotivated by humor. I wasn't
aware that everything on the list required a
commponent of helpfulness. Just so you know. I don't
think anyone on this list or above the age of 12 would
even consider dismounting elephants, putting them in
orb or placing the whole behind a palisade. So, if
your concern is that new players will be confused, it
may be out of place. Or are you just irratable today?

For new players and all list members, please accept my
appology for finding humor. I will now stop
contributing to the list for fear of resorting to
humor.

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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Boyd

Chill.

Here's what I *meant* to say...

No one else on this list HAS to read every mail but me. No one on this list HAS
to try and make sure everyone's needs are attended to as much as possible,
except me. Despite my best efforts, rules questions are still found buried in
mails with non-rules related subject lines, therefore they must all be culled to
make sure this is THE most responsive game company in the ancient/medieval
business.

You may not want to believe that a comment about elephants in orb will not be
taken seriously, but such are. All the time. A comment like that is guaranteed
to get me a mail about 'broken rules' either on the group or off. This time it
was offline. Next time it will start a dozen mail thread about stirrups or
ineffective weapons or whatever.

Being the rules author at FHE and the moderator of this list is a
time-consuming, revenue NEGATIVE venture. I do it for love. If by asking you
to temper you comedic efforts to choose something other than 'rules jokes' I can
save a few minutes to spend on Campaign Warrior, I will at least give it a try.

If you want to make jokes, make jokes about something truly funny, like Holder's
playing ability....

Jon

Greg Regets · Imperator Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 2988

9.71 under Obstacles says;

"Stakes carried and emplaced by infantry, solid lines of tethered animals, and
chains across gaps in a wagon laager or protecting artillery count as obstacles
to all troops except elephants."

It doesn't say anything about palisades. As elephants are close order mounted,
they would disorder as soon as they crossed the palisade.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Wanax Andron
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] RULES Palisade Questions

> I'm sorry. Are you aware of a list with elephants
> that can place a palisaded ditch in the forward
> zone? Please let me know if you are, it will need
> correcting.

No and I really haven't bothered to look for such.

> <<Or I dismount my elephants behind the palisades
> and
> form orb Smile

>>
>
> I find this sort of comment, even if made in jest,
> very unmotivating and unhelpful. Just so you know.

I'm sorry you are unmotivated by humor. I wasn't
aware that everything on the list required a
commponent of helpfulness. Just so you know. I don't
think anyone on this list or above the age of 12 would
even consider dismounting elephants, putting them in
orb or placing the whole behind a palisade. So, if
your concern is that new players will be confused, it
may be out of place. Or are you just irratable today?

For new players and all list members, please accept my
appology for finding humor. I will now stop
contributing to the list for fear of resorting to
humor.

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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

<<9.71 under Obstacles says;

"Stakes carried and emplaced by infantry, solid lines of tethered animals, and
chains across gaps in a wagon laager or protecting artillery count as obstacles
to all troops except elephants."

It doesn't say anything about palisades. As elephants are close order mounted,
they would disorder as soon as they crossed the palisade.>>

That is all correct.
Jon

Greg Regets · Imperator Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 2988

Perhaps 6.41 where it allows blocks to be modifies to defend a feature (since
obstacles are terrain, cold they then be features?) this would seem to at least
in part cover the question of what to do at corners. My understanding is that
when you do this, as I have done and seen many times in games, your line of
figures counts as a line (or block if you prefer) from one end to the other as
long as elements maintain contact. Correct?

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Wanax Andron
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] RULES Palisade Questions

> I'm sorry. Are you aware of a list with elephants
> that can place a palisaded ditch in the forward
> zone? Please let me know if you are, it will need
> correcting.

No and I really haven't bothered to look for such.

> <<Or I dismount my elephants behind the palisades
> and
> form orb Smile

>>
>
> I find this sort of comment, even if made in jest,
> very unmotivating and unhelpful. Just so you know.

I'm sorry you are unmotivated by humor. I wasn't
aware that everything on the list required a
commponent of helpfulness. Just so you know. I don't
think anyone on this list or above the age of 12 would
even consider dismounting elephants, putting them in
orb or placing the whole behind a palisade. So, if
your concern is that new players will be confused, it
may be out of place. Or are you just irratable today?

For new players and all list members, please accept my
appology for finding humor. I will now stop
contributing to the list for fear of resorting to
humor.

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Greg Regets · Imperator Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 2988

My big question about palisades, etc, is: Do you have to buy them in the six
element sections required, meaning that each section would have to be six
elements continuously touching? I damn sure hope so. I would hate to see people
be able to buy things like that as six, one element sections.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: JonCleaves@...
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] RULES Palisade Questions

<<9.71 under Obstacles says;

"Stakes carried and emplaced by infantry, solid lines of tethered animals, and
chains across gaps in a wagon laager or protecting artillery count as obstacles
to all troops except elephants."

It doesn't say anything about palisades. As elephants are close order mounted,
they would disorder as soon as they crossed the palisade.>>

That is all correct.
Jon

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scott holder · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: RULES Palisade Questions

My big question about palisades, etc, is: Do you have to buy them in the
six element sections required, meaning that each section would have to
be six elements continuously touching? I damn sure hope so. I would hate
to see people be able to buy things like that as six, one element
sections.

You pay for them in 6 element sections *and* these sections must be
continuous, not 1 element here, one element there. Now if said elements
want to turn 90 degrees touching at a corner, no problem, or to follow a
terrain feature, etc. Now if you want one 6 element section in one
place and another 6 element section in another place, no problem, those
don't need to be "touching". But the basic 6 element section must
touch.

scott

scott holder · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: RULES Palisade Questions

Actually, the rule of thumb on how these things "connect" can be found
in how they're paid for. If you're purchasing caltrops or stakes, they
are purchased in 1 element increments so you could toss them hither and
yon in 1 element increments should you desire.

>>> gar@... 6/17/02 2:23:00 PM >>>
Thanks Scott, that was the answer I was expecting and hoping for. :-)

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Holder, Scott <FHWA>
To: IPM Return requested (Receipt notification requested)
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] RULES Palisade Questions

My big question about palisades, etc, is: Do you have to buy them in
the
six element sections required, meaning that each section would have to
be six elements continuously touching? I damn sure hope so. I would
hate
to see people be able to buy things like that as six, one element
sections.

You pay for them in 6 element sections *and* these sections must be
continuous, not 1 element here, one element there. Now if said
elements
want to turn 90 degrees touching at a corner, no problem, or to follow
a
terrain feature, etc. Now if you want one 6 element section in one
place and another 6 element section in another place, no problem,
those
don't need to be "touching". But the basic 6 element section must
touch.

scott

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