Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Murphy]

the rules say something to the effect that you must fit _after any_
pivots to line up or your charge is not legal.

but they also say that if there is not space to pivot you either suck
in the target unit to pivot or you just resolve it in place and settle
any pivot after combat result moves.

so how is there ever no room for any pivot?

i don't get it.

(in the game we ruled that there was no fit but i am not sure we did
this correctly)

[joncleaves]

<< the rules say something to the effect that you must fit _after any_
pivots to line up or your charge is not legal.>>

Yes they do at the moment.

<<but they also say that if there is not space to pivot you either suck
in the target unit to pivot or you just resolve it in place and settle
any pivot after combat result moves.>>

And the clarifications do say that and it is indeed confusing.

The original 'fit' section of the charge rules was intended to prevent what is
about to be a case II flank charge (the kind that starts not behind the flank)
from happening if there is no place for it to fit. What is about to happen is
that the revised rules will make it clear that the 'fit' requirement does not
mean you have to fit *after* pivoting and lining up *unless* a case II.
Otherwise the way the clarification now reads is the standard.

So, officially, treat the 'fit' case as it now stands as not saying 'AFTER
pivoting and lining up' unless you are attempting a flank charge that does not
start behind the flank. This will bring you in line with our intent and the way
the text will read in the revised rules.

Thanks for your patience.

Jon


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 10/21/2005 22:37:01 Central Standard Time,
jjmurphy@... writes:

so (if i understand you)... if you are declaring a charge against
the front corner of a body already engaged in HtH (say on the far
end of the body) which you have room to hit on the front corner but
another of your bodies nearby which you cannot interpenetrate
prevents you from pivoting and lining up (not a flank charge since
you are hitting the corner and not a flank edge)... this will now be
allowed as a charge and the final pivot and lineup will take place
after combat results moves?

but if the situation is altered slightly so your own unit in
previous contact is on the end of the front of the enemy towards
your charging unit, so you need to declare a flank charge (or
interpenetrate), then if you are not starting behind the flank you
need to be able to fit AFTER pivoting and lineup?



Yes and yes if I understand you without a diagram.

J


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[John Murphy]

thanks for the very complete and illuminating answer, Jon. worth the
wait.

so (if i understand you)... if you are declaring a charge against
the front corner of a body already engaged in HtH (say on the far
end of the body) which you have room to hit on the front corner but
another of your bodies nearby which you cannot interpenetrate
prevents you from pivoting and lining up (not a flank charge since
you are hitting the corner and not a flank edge)... this will now be
allowed as a charge and the final pivot and lineup will take place
after combat results moves?

but if the situation is altered slightly so your own unit in
previous contact is on the end of the front of the enemy towards
your charging unit, so you need to declare a flank charge (or
interpenetrate), then if you are not starting behind the flank you
need to be able to fit AFTER pivoting and lineup?

anyhow, i like. one of the very peculiar things about all the wrg
rules since the change from figures to elements is the resulting
trouble dealing with exactly this kind of thing, and treating the
pivoy and lineup in this way prevents putting the cart before the
horse (in my opinion)

thanks.

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> The original 'fit' section of the charge rules was intended to
prevent what is about to be a case II flank charge (the kind that
starts not behind the flank) from happening if there is no place for
it to fit. What is about to happen is that the revised rules will
make it clear that the 'fit' requirement does not mean you have to
fit *after* pivoting and lining up *unless* a case II. Otherwise
the way the clarification now reads is the standard.
> So, officially, treat the 'fit' case as it now stands as not
saying 'AFTER pivoting and lining up' unless you are attempting a
flank charge that does not start behind the flank. This will bring
you in line with our intent and the way the text will read in the
revised rules.