Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Quick question, when I got feedback on my Song list, it was commented
that I could exchange some troops for TFs during a game. However,
when I looked at the rules, it seems this is quite limited:

14.46 Adjusting Army Lists in Competition

According to thsi rule, point value changes can only be made:

1. remove complete bodies (but "No element of any body removed can be
from a troop type with an element minimum in the list")
2. remove armor/equipment upgrades (but not compulsury upgrades)
3. combine units to remove command factors (same unit composition)

This seems to mean that most of the stuff you'd like to drop can't be.
i.e. - the swordsman can't be dropped for TF as they are "elements
from a troop type with an element minimum". The same would be true
for the line cavalry, the spearmen, and the bow men.

In fact, the only elements that don't have a miminum on the Song list
are the:

Untrained Militia
Artillery (any of it)
Mongol Horse Archers
Southern Tribesmen
Southern Tribal Bowmen

So, am I reading the rule correctly in that only these few types of
troops could be swapped out? Or is it ok to swap troops as long as
the overall minimum is met? For example, can you purchase a list with
6 shielded sowrdsmen (60 points) and then drop two of them (20 points)
for a ditched palisade? Also, can you get around Mark's problem of
the extra LI by taking the 12 of them that you don't want (24 points)
and swap for, say, 6 elements of caltrops?

Thx,
Dan

[Ewan McNay]

I believe that you are reading the current iteration of that rule
correctly. And, yes, it's become almost useless, because things you tae
without minima are rarely those you'd wish to lose .

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, jakeb.rm wrote:

> Quick question, when I got feedback on my Song list, it was commented
> that I could exchange some troops for TFs during a game. However,
> when I looked at the rules, it seems this is quite limited:
>
> 14.46 Adjusting Army Lists in Competition
>
> According to thsi rule, point value changes can only be made:
>
> 1. remove complete bodies (but "No element of any body removed can be
> from a troop type with an element minimum in the list")
> 2. remove armor/equipment upgrades (but not compulsury upgrades)
> 3. combine units to remove command factors (same unit composition)
>
> This seems to mean that most of the stuff you'd like to drop can't be.
> i.e. - the swordsman can't be dropped for TF as they are "elements
> from a troop type with an element minimum". The same would be true
> for the line cavalry, the spearmen, and the bow men.
>
> In fact, the only elements that don't have a miminum on the Song list
> are the:
>
> Untrained Militia
> Artillery (any of it)
> Mongol Horse Archers
> Southern Tribesmen
> Southern Tribal Bowmen
>
> So, am I reading the rule correctly in that only these few types of
> troops could be swapped out? Or is it ok to swap troops as long as
> the overall minimum is met? For example, can you purchase a list with
> 6 shielded sowrdsmen (60 points) and then drop two of them (20 points)
> for a ditched palisade? Also, can you get around Mark's problem of
> the extra LI by taking the 12 of them that you don't want (24 points)
> and swap for, say, 6 elements of caltrops?
>
> Thx,
> Dan
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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[joncleaves]

Dan, you have the right rule. No, you can't ensure you satisfy the minimum and
then use more troops from that same line to buy TFs.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: jakeb.rm <dfbass@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:49:01 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Rules Q: TFs and List Adjustments


Quick question, when I got feedback on my Song list, it was commented
that I could exchange some troops for TFs during a game. However,
when I looked at the rules, it seems this is quite limited:

14.46 Adjusting Army Lists in Competition

According to thsi rule, point value changes can only be made:

1. remove complete bodies (but "No element of any body removed can be
from a troop type with an element minimum in the list")
2. remove armor/equipment upgrades (but not compulsury upgrades)
3. combine units to remove command factors (same unit composition)

This seems to mean that most of the stuff you'd like to drop can't be.
i.e. - the swordsman can't be dropped for TF as they are "elements
from a troop type with an element minimum". The same would be true
for the line cavalry, the spearmen, and the bow men.

In fact, the only elements that don't have a miminum on the Song list
are the:

Untrained Militia
Artillery (any of it)
Mongol Horse Archers
Southern Tribesmen
Southern Tribal Bowmen

So, am I reading the rule correctly in that only these few types of
troops could be swapped out? Or is it ok to swap troops as long as
the overall minimum is met? For example, can you purchase a list with
6 shielded sowrdsmen (60 points) and then drop two of them (20 points)
for a ditched palisade? Also, can you get around Mark's problem of
the extra LI by taking the 12 of them that you don't want (24 points)
and swap for, say, 6 elements of caltrops?

Thx,
Dan








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[Ed Forbes]

-- JonCleaves@... wrote:

Dan, you have the right rule. No, you can't ensure you satisfy the minimum and
then use more troops from that same line to buy TFs.

Jon

--
Jon,

Just to be clear. If for example a troop type is listed as 2-16, one takes 16,
then one can not take 2 off, leaving 12 and still meeting the minimum of 2, for
a TF because this type has a minimum of any size?

Ed

[joncleaves]

Correct, Ed.

-----Original Message-----
From: eforbes100@... <eforbes100@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:49:59 GMT
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Rules Q: TFs and List Adjustments



-- JonCleaves@... wrote:

Dan, you have the right rule. No, you can't ensure you satisfy the minimum and
then use more troops from that same line to buy TFs.

Jon

--
Jon,

Just to be clear. If for example a troop type is listed as 2-16, one takes 16,
then one can not take 2 off, leaving 12 and still meeting the minimum of 2, for
a TF because this type has a minimum of any size?

Ed







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Good catch Dan!

Argh...oh well, even more reason to hate Swordsmen. They like the
relatives who come to visit on the holidays and then NEVER LEAVE! ;)

Oh well, at least you can still use them as camp guards - they
probably sit around and eat all your fortune cookies anyways, the
rat bastards! LOL

Regards,
Asif




--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "jakeb.rm" <dfbass@g...> wrote:
>
> Quick question, when I got feedback on my Song list, it was
commented
> that I could exchange some troops for TFs during a game. However,
> when I looked at the rules, it seems this is quite limited:
>
> 14.46 Adjusting Army Lists in Competition
>
> According to thsi rule, point value changes can only be made:
>
> 1. remove complete bodies (but "No element of any body removed can
be
> from a troop type with an element minimum in the list")
> 2. remove armor/equipment upgrades (but not compulsury upgrades)
> 3. combine units to remove command factors (same unit composition)
>
> This seems to mean that most of the stuff you'd like to drop can't
be.
> i.e. - the swordsman can't be dropped for TF as they are "elements
> from a troop type with an element minimum". The same would be true
> for the line cavalry, the spearmen, and the bow men.
>
> In fact, the only elements that don't have a miminum on the Song
list
> are the:
>
> Untrained Militia
> Artillery (any of it)
> Mongol Horse Archers
> Southern Tribesmen
> Southern Tribal Bowmen
>
> So, am I reading the rule correctly in that only these few types of
> troops could be swapped out? Or is it ok to swap troops as long as
> the overall minimum is met? For example, can you purchase a list
with
> 6 shielded sowrdsmen (60 points) and then drop two of them (20
points)
> for a ditched palisade? Also, can you get around Mark's problem of
> the extra LI by taking the 12 of them that you don't want (24
points)
> and swap for, say, 6 elements of caltrops?
>
> Thx,
> Dan
>