Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Murphy]

Sorry for the bandwidth overage lately but before I go back to
lurking I have been wanting to ask for a while what some better
players thought about the Moldavian CO/LO foot choices. I would like
to supplement my 15mm Moldavian army with some bona-fide HtH
infantry (ie other than the current crop of pretty useful LI) to
support the crazed Boyars and the hordes of good light cavalry.
Dismounted Boyars are not bad but as irregulars they are hard to set
up just right to work even using staff moves, and truthfully having
the fanatic HK, mounted, is a large part of this army's appeal for
me - and there are not that many of them.

So I am looking really at the Voynuks and the Rustici.

I can get up to 8E of Voynuks as Irr C HI armed with my choice of
2HCT or else JLS,Sh (eg not with 2HCT,Sh). They do not have the 1.5-
rank 2HCT list rule for whatever reason so I am thinking the only
way to do these is 2 units of 4E (or 1 of 6E, or 4 of 2E, whatever)
front rank JLS,Sh and back rank 2HCT which would have to swap ranks
when nearing hand-to-hand which could get very tricky. Or just waste
the shields altogether and leave the 2HCT in front all the time.
This is, however, a pretty points-intensive way (121 pts for each 4E
unit) to get what you get - you are paying for back-rank HI and Sh
that you might really not be using on top of the high cost for 2HCT
HI in front which is at least put to good use.

I can get up to 12E of Rustici as Irr D, with 1 "C" per unit, LMI
armed with my choice of 2HCW, JLS or B. This could give me two
really cheap 6E units (46 pts ea) of LMI with front half 2HCW and
back half JLS. This would give me some good terrain takers which I
do not have otherwise (half-shielded LI archers are great but not
quite up to that billing) which do not require a lot of manuevering
except to keep them from getting shot badly or charged by mounted.
And, for the points, they might not do poorly against foot in the
open though they will exhaust pretty quickly. But the idea there
would be to use them with the Boyars to avoid getting the Boyars
support-shot when they charge in after the enemy has already been
engaged.

Also, did I see somewhere, or am I imagining/wishing, that the
FeudWar CO 1.5-rank 2HCT applies now to all troops of that type? If
so that might make the Voynuks a good idea for me in this army.
Otherwise I suspect the Rustici are the way to go here, and in fact
for the cost might be a good choice even in addition.

Or, should I just scrap the idea of getting some real infantry with
this army (after all, compared to Moogs this isn't real world-beater
foot) and just keep going with the wild bunch and all the LC?

[Ewan McNay]

John -

- at least according to the Moldavians we faced at CW , the Voynuks
are now allowed to be HI with 2HCT, JLS, Sh - which made them damn scary.
Expensive as HI, though, I agree. They had some generic LMI JLS, Sh
types that didn't seem very useful - take more LI.

John wrote:

>
> Sorry for the bandwidth overage lately but before I go back to
> lurking I have been wanting to ask for a while what some better
> players thought about the Moldavian CO/LO foot choices. I would like
> to supplement my 15mm Moldavian army with some bona-fide HtH
> infantry (ie other than the current crop of pretty useful LI) to
> support the crazed Boyars and the hordes of good light cavalry.
> Dismounted Boyars are not bad but as irregulars they are hard to set
> up just right to work even using staff moves, and truthfully having
> the fanatic HK, mounted, is a large part of this army's appeal for
> me - and there are not that many of them.
>
> So I am looking really at the Voynuks and the Rustici.
>
> I can get up to 8E of Voynuks as Irr C HI armed with my choice of
> 2HCT or else JLS,Sh (eg not with 2HCT,Sh). They do not have the 1.5-
> rank 2HCT list rule for whatever reason so I am thinking the only
> way to do these is 2 units of 4E (or 1 of 6E, or 4 of 2E, whatever)
> front rank JLS,Sh and back rank 2HCT which would have to swap ranks
> when nearing hand-to-hand which could get very tricky. Or just waste
> the shields altogether and leave the 2HCT in front all the time.
> This is, however, a pretty points-intensive way (121 pts for each 4E
> unit) to get what you get - you are paying for back-rank HI and Sh
> that you might really not be using on top of the high cost for 2HCT
> HI in front which is at least put to good use.
>
> I can get up to 12E of Rustici as Irr D, with 1 "C" per unit, LMI
> armed with my choice of 2HCW, JLS or B. This could give me two
> really cheap 6E units (46 pts ea) of LMI with front half 2HCW and
> back half JLS. This would give me some good terrain takers which I
> do not have otherwise (half-shielded LI archers are great but not
> quite up to that billing) which do not require a lot of manuevering
> except to keep them from getting shot badly or charged by mounted.
> And, for the points, they might not do poorly against foot in the
> open though they will exhaust pretty quickly. But the idea there
> would be to use them with the Boyars to avoid getting the Boyars
> support-shot when they charge in after the enemy has already been
> engaged.
>
> Also, did I see somewhere, or am I imagining/wishing, that the
> FeudWar CO 1.5-rank 2HCT applies now to all troops of that type? If
> so that might make the Voynuks a good idea for me in this army.
> Otherwise I suspect the Rustici are the way to go here, and in fact
> for the cost might be a good choice even in addition.
>
> Or, should I just scrap the idea of getting some real infantry with
> this army (after all, compared to Moogs this isn't real world-beater
> foot) and just keep going with the wild bunch and all the LC?
>
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[Kelly Wilkinson]

John,

I'd scrap the whole Moldavian thing and play Later Hungarians. You can get
plenty of Viteji LC and better Knights as well as better foot. Just my two
cents.

kelly

John <jjmurphy@...> wrote:

Sorry for the bandwidth overage lately but before I go back to
lurking I have been wanting to ask for a while what some better
players thought about the Moldavian CO/LO foot choices. I would like
to supplement my 15mm Moldavian army with some bona-fide HtH
infantry (ie other than the current crop of pretty useful LI) to
support the crazed Boyars and the hordes of good light cavalry.
Dismounted Boyars are not bad but as irregulars they are hard to set
up just right to work even using staff moves, and truthfully having
the fanatic HK, mounted, is a large part of this army's appeal for
me - and there are not that many of them.

So I am looking really at the Voynuks and the Rustici.

I can get up to 8E of Voynuks as Irr C HI armed with my choice of
2HCT or else JLS,Sh (eg not with 2HCT,Sh). They do not have the 1.5-
rank 2HCT list rule for whatever reason so I am thinking the only
way to do these is 2 units of 4E (or 1 of 6E, or 4 of 2E, whatever)
front rank JLS,Sh and back rank 2HCT which would have to swap ranks
when nearing hand-to-hand which could get very tricky. Or just waste
the shields altogether and leave the 2HCT in front all the time.
This is, however, a pretty points-intensive way (121 pts for each 4E
unit) to get what you get - you are paying for back-rank HI and Sh
that you might really not be using on top of the high cost for 2HCT
HI in front which is at least put to good use.

I can get up to 12E of Rustici as Irr D, with 1 "C" per unit, LMI
armed with my choice of 2HCW, JLS or B. This could give me two
really cheap 6E units (46 pts ea) of LMI with front half 2HCW and
back half JLS. This would give me some good terrain takers which I
do not have otherwise (half-shielded LI archers are great but not
quite up to that billing) which do not require a lot of manuevering
except to keep them from getting shot badly or charged by mounted.
And, for the points, they might not do poorly against foot in the
open though they will exhaust pretty quickly. But the idea there
would be to use them with the Boyars to avoid getting the Boyars
support-shot when they charge in after the enemy has already been
engaged.

Also, did I see somewhere, or am I imagining/wishing, that the
FeudWar CO 1.5-rank 2HCT applies now to all troops of that type? If
so that might make the Voynuks a good idea for me in this army.
Otherwise I suspect the Rustici are the way to go here, and in fact
for the cost might be a good choice even in addition.

Or, should I just scrap the idea of getting some real infantry with
this army (after all, compared to Moogs this isn't real world-beater
foot) and just keep going with the wild bunch and all the LC?






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[John Murphy]

Well, since I already have a Moldavian army that ain't exactly gonna
happen soon - and they are too nice to simply "morph" the figs into
something they are not. And besides, the LatHun don't get no stinkin
IrrA knights, no 1.5-rank JLS LC, no LI with B,Sh. Even
the "Moldavians" in the LatHun list lack all this stuff for the same
three troop types. But even if they had it, when you paint up a guy
just to be Stephan the Great of Moldavia and a bunch of Balkan Boyar
coats of arms out of a book you don't go and make them into a
Hungarian army!

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, kelly wilkinson
<jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
> I'd scrap the whole Moldavian thing and play Later Hungarians.

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Uhhh... as I recall from the Later Hungarians you get the Viteji Light cav and
the last time I checked, the still fight 1.5 ranks and I like SHK over HK most
any day. It was nice to put your face to your name as my partner and I sat
behind you and Mark H for two of the three team games on Saturday.

k

John <jjmurphy@...> wrote:

Well, since I already have a Moldavian army that ain't exactly gonna
happen soon - and they are too nice to simply "morph" the figs into
something they are not. And besides, the LatHun don't get no stinkin
IrrA knights, no 1.5-rank JLS LC, no LI with B,Sh. Even
the "Moldavians" in the LatHun list lack all this stuff for the same
three troop types. But even if they had it, when you paint up a guy
just to be Stephan the Great of Moldavia and a bunch of Balkan Boyar
coats of arms out of a book you don't go and make them into a
Hungarian army!

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, kelly wilkinson
<jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
> I'd scrap the whole Moldavian thing and play Later Hungarians.






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John,

Which brand of figures ( and from what range ) did you use for the HK
Boyars?

Cheers........Geoff

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jjmurphy@s...> wrote:
>
> Well, since I already have a Moldavian army that ain't exactly gonna
> happen soon - and they are too nice to simply "morph" the figs into
> something they are not. And besides, the LatHun don't get no stinkin
> IrrA knights, no 1.5-rank JLS LC, no LI with B,Sh. Even
> the "Moldavians" in the LatHun list lack all this stuff for the same
> three troop types. But even if they had it, when you paint up a guy
> just to be Stephan the Great of Moldavia and a bunch of Balkan Boyar
> coats of arms out of a book you don't go and make them into a
> Hungarian army!
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, kelly wilkinson
> <jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
> > I'd scrap the whole Moldavian thing and play Later Hungarians.

[John Murphy]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, kelly wilkinson
<jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
> Uhhh... as I recall from the Later Hungarians you get the Viteji
Light cav and the last time I checked, the still fight 1.5 ranks and I
like SHK over HK most any day.

Okay, in the erata they do indeed get 1.5-rank Viteji. But the SHK is
not IrrA.

Hey, it's just a personal preference, and the way I built the army.
Really what it comes down to. Adding a few stands of foot I can see
doing. Giving them up for another army would be ridiculous for me -
obviously you do not share that opinion.

> It was nice to put your face to your name as my partner and I sat
behind you and Mark H for two of the three team games on Saturday.

lol Which "face" did you put to my name from that direction!

[John Murphy]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "siwardrocks" <geoffcrick@o...>
wrote:
> Which brand of figures ( and from what range ) did you use for the HK
> Boyars?

Essex Lithuanian Boyars.

Before anyone suggests I run a Lithuanian army - according to a 'very
scholarly' book I read Lithuanians formed much of the Moldavian
nobility during the period they were dominated by the Poles
(essentially the period of the list) and much of the non-Lithuanians
may have been heavily influenced by them as well. One can certainly
see actual concrete evidence of this in Moldavian heraldry from the
period as well. The Essex figures I found match the description in the
book very well.

Thanks for that. The little bit of research I have done on the subject
also suggests that the Lithuanian figures are the closest match.


Cheers.....Geoff

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jjmurphy@s...> wrote:
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "siwardrocks" <geoffcrick@o...>
> wrote:
> > Which brand of figures ( and from what range ) did you use for the HK
> > Boyars?
>
> Essex Lithuanian Boyars.
>
> Before anyone suggests I run a Lithuanian army - according to a 'very
> scholarly' book I read Lithuanians formed much of the Moldavian
> nobility during the period they were dominated by the Poles
> (essentially the period of the list) and much of the non-Lithuanians
> may have been heavily influenced by them as well. One can certainly
> see actual concrete evidence of this in Moldavian heraldry from the
> period as well. The Essex figures I found match the description in the
> book very well.