Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

The bottom line is that no, there are no split bases in Warrior anywhere, so
you do not need to rebase those figs.

The deal with 'wedging' in Warrior - once again with feeling:

IF you are using an unsuperceded list from WRG old/new/book of hosts or
NASAMW's revisions and a troop type is listed there as 'wedging' then it
counts as fighting 1.5 ranks when charging, countercharging, or pursuing IF
and ONLY IF it is not already armed with a weapon that fights from the second
rank (such as foot JLS, L, LTS, HTW, etc)

Warrior lists will have this as a list rule, such as Huns, Slavs, Vikings,
Thracian cav, etc. and it will be explicitly stated which troop types it
applies to.

In neither case will the troops actuall 'form wedge' as they did in WRG.

Jon

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Foot troops with JLS will never have a 'wedge' list rule. Please read it
again.

Kelly Wilkinson

Just a question about troops who formally wedged armed
with jls verses kniggets. Will the list rule allow the
troops in the rear on the outside to fight against
super heavies perhaps?

Kelly

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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Ewan

This is Warrior, not 7th. I believe you are thinking 7th JLS rules here.
I did not say it was a ridiculous question. I said it was already answered.

Jon

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Only Slav Axemen (LMI, 2HCW, Sh) have the 1.5 rank list rule. Slav JLS armed
troops do not.

Sing along with me now.

Ewan McNay

On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 JonCleaves@... wrote:
> Foot troops with JLS will never have a 'wedge' list rule. Please read it
> again.

Jon, what you wrote was quite clear (i.e., as JLS already fights 1.5 ranks
against most opponents, it will receive no list allowance for those who
once wedged).

However, this *does* result in a change in capability against those troops
against whom no + for JLS exists, and hence against whom JLS-armed foot
fight only 1 rank. That might justify a list rule - or not. But it was
not a ridiculous question.

Ewan, defender of all [or just bloody-minded...]:)

Kelly Wilkinson

--- JonCleaves@... wrote:
> Foot troops with JLS will never have a 'wedge' list
> rule. Please read it
> again.
>
Sorry, the question was poorly written! I meant
troops like Slavs who are primarily armed with jls.
Since the old list allowed them to wedge and thus
count more troops such as outside figures verses super
heavies (the former formation (wedge) counted those to
be in the front rank). Once again, I appologize for
phrasing my question so poorly. In fact I'm not sure
this is very clear either but it is the best I can do
at 12:09 AM!! Just curious. And if the above answer
still holds, so be it.

Kelly

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Kelly Wilkinson

--- JonCleaves@... wrote:
> Only Slav Axemen (LMI, 2HCW, Sh) have the 1.5 rank
> list rule. Slav JLS armed troops do not.
>
> Sing along with me now.
>

***Singing*** (In a poor Baratone!) Thank you.
Kelly

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Chris Bump · Legate Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1625

Guys,

As I understand the rule, troops with Jls, will always fight 1.5 ranks. If Jls
does not apply then they will not get the +1 jls bonus, but will still fight 1.5
ranks. Am I all wet on this?

Chris

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

JLS troops will always fight 1.5 at contact and in certain other situations
after contact. But whether the plus exists on the table is not one of those.

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Not exactly, Scott. Off to the agonizer booth.

See other email on this issue.

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Scott and Chris - the statement made below by Scott IS correct:

" JLS armed troops fighting against, oh, let's say SHK, still fight 1.5 ranks
against them. However, said haples JLS-armed troops would not get the javelin
bonus."

ONLY SO LONG AS it is either first contact or the other conditions of 9.22 are
met. If for example, they were not pursuing in a second bound and armed with
2HCW, they would NOT be fighting 1.5 ranks. (but, if they were fighting
elephants, they would!).

Yes, a difference from 7th's engine is that the 1.5 ranks is not tied directly
to whom you get the + against. To determine if you get 1.5 ranks, you go to
9.22.

You have to be complete in these answers I have found. :)

Jon

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

I do remember that game. I also remember my Early Germans rolling up enough
against a 100YW SHK they had stopped on the first bound to break them.

It happens.

Chris Bump · Legate Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1625

In a message dated Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:05:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Patrick
<cuan@...> writes:

> Whoa, hold up.
>
> If a unit is armed with 2HCW, JLS and by list rule, can wedge:
> 1. On first bound (charging contact), both ranks fight 2HCW, JLS.
> 2. On second bound, the front rank gets 2HCW only and the back rank gets
> JLS.
>
> Right?
> -PB

I may be confused (rather common these days) but I don't think so. Troops armed
with 2HCW loose Jls after first contact, includiing those in the back rank.
Your example, ala Souther Chinese get a killer hit at first contact, but then
rapidly degrade as fighting only first rank there after, because of weapon
selection, unless they break their opponents and are pursuing. I believe
pursuers do get the rank and half capability, when armed in a way that would not
otherwise allow rank and half, and said troops were categorized as those who get
the capability when charging/countercharging. NOTE: It appears that we have
been playing this somewhat wrong, in that we in DFW have allowed 1.5 ranks to
huscarls, for example, at first contact (ie standing to receive) as opposed to
only charging, counter charging or pursuing. Probably need clarification on
first contact vs charging/cc or pursuing.

Chris
>
>
> > From: JonCleaves@...
> >
> > ONLY SO LONG AS it is either first contact or the other conditions of 9.22
are
> > met. If for example, they were not pursuing in a second bound and armed
with
> > 2HCW, they would NOT be fighting 1.5 ranks. (but, if they were fighting
> > elephants, they would!).
> >
> > Jon
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Dave Markowitz · Recruit Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 172 Location: New York

The rank and 1/2 against "Super-Heavy" Troops certainly is a big difference. I
havn't made it through warrior yet, but the changes between Warrior and 7th that
are patently significant are:

1. demorialization and 1/2
2. new shooting arc (making it much more difficult for those units of 4 LC to
scoot out of shooting range).

I'm sure there are others, but I'll have to read the rules to find them Smile

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