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				|  Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:05 pm    Post subject: Tactical Retreat |  |  
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				| Let the record show that Ewan overcame the terrain challenge,
 breaking through with two columns of Elephants in one of the gaps
 and everything else in the woods.  Pretty wild.
 
 Echo the thanks to Jacob Kovel for putting on a great event, with 10
 gamers and excellent sportsmenship all around.
 
 --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, ewan.mcnay@y... wrote:
 >
 > Just back from Tactical Retreat, and three great games; thanks to
 Jake for
 > the organisation and my opponents for the noyment!
 >
 > We did have a question come up (hypothetical, mostly) about the
 use of
 > incendiary HTW; as far as I can see they're just a missile wea;pon
 with
 > range 40p, but several folk thought they could be used as
 incendiaries
 > somehoe in hth.  Am I missing something here?
 >
 > Also, not really as a rules Q but because it caused general
 consternation:
 > note that (Jon can please leap in here if this is incorrect) (i)
 there is
 > no need for >1 element-wodth of a gap being passed in normal
 movement,
 > even if one or both shoulder are enemy; only in charges would that
 double
 > the passable size to 2 elements; and (ii) there is no requirement
 to stay
 > outside 40p of enemy *throughout* an approach move, only to end no
 closer
 > than 40.
 >
 > [A 2E unit of my LC considered merrily walking through a 1E gap
 between
 > opposing spear units in line, then turning around in their rear at
 40p.
 > Didn't do it, but my opponent and the surrounding tables were in
 general
 > amazed that anyone would even think it was legal...]
 >
 > No other real Qs that I recall.  And I'm very glad that Jake indeed
 > adjusted things to get 3 games in by 8.30 p.m..  One of my games
 posed an
 > interesting challenge: facing Carthaginian, there's a line of max-
 size
 > woods.  4 of them.  across the centre line, essentially, with some
 small
 > variation in spacing between the two deployment zones and a total
 of maybe
 > 6E of gaps between them acros the width of the table.   How do you
 plan to
 > fight there with an army consisting of LC, SHC and elephants?
   And what
 > is it about Carthaginians that causes my armies fits?  Paging Tim
 Brown
 > and a minor water feature..
 >
 >
 >
 > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 JonCleaves@a... wrote:
 >
 > >
 > > What was  aggravating was that if I had KNOWN that my opponent
 COULD
 > > POSSIBLY get  incendiaries, I would have gone into skirmish and
 BACKED
 > > UP, so I could  get the -2 shooting factor, and then I would
 have been
 > > more effective with  MY incendiaries (which I had bought since
 my
 > > ENEMY had the ABILITY to get  TFs, in this case ditch).>>
 > > 1.  The changes to 14 have been out since December.  Not sure
 what to tell
 > > you about that.
 > >
 > > 2.  The fact of having the incendiaries isn't a secret in any
 case.
 > >
 > >
 > > ---------------------------
 > >
 > > Side note 1:  Am I  the only one who considers it odd that ditch
 or
 > > Stone Walls (which  incendiaries have NO effect on) enable
 either army
 > > to get  incendiaries?>>
 > > The bigger issue is trying to control a guy getting flaming
 arrows shooting
 > > things using the TF instead of buying them because the other guy
 took a TF but
 > >  using them on his cav.  I don't want to write a page of rules
 just for
 > > another 'strategem', but I will take suggestions.  Since the
 change in 14,  no one
 > > has been taking TFs because they didn't want the other guy to
 take  flaming
 > > missiles, so it has not really come up.  This leaves TFs and
 flaming missiles
 > > in the realm of scenarios and more or less out of competition
 games and I am
 > > personally ok with that.  This is the first time someone has
 said anything
 > > negative about it since the change.
 > >
 > > I don't know what to tell you about your judge ruling that
 flaming arrows
 > > had the 11.1 effect of artillery.  That's like saying a P fights
 like an  LTS
 > > because they are on the same line as the weapon factors chart...
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > Side question 1:  What are the ranges for using incendiary  bow?
 > > incendiary Crossbow? incendiary Longbow?  Are they
 ALL  "effective 40,
 > > no long range", or has this been  changed?>>
 > > 40p is effective.  120p is long for flaming CB and LB and 80p is
 long  for
 > > flaming B missiles.
 > >
 > > J
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