Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Murphy]

The 15mm Moldavians got painted just in time for the local quarterly
Warrior tourney - very happy with how they came out though I am
still fixing bits of shipping damage and waiting on the transport
elements which I got seperately. I am looking for some tactics
pointers with them. Here is the list (letting all the oppoistion see
it, oh well) - which having played it once I am committed to (and I
would say happily) for the rest of the games.

6 units 2E Irr A/B HK L,Sh - 1 a CinC/PA & 1 a SubG/P
4 units 6E Irr C LC JLS,B,Sh (list rule for 1.5 ranks JLS)
2 units 8E Irr C LI B,1/2-Sh
1 unit required 4E Irr C LMI JLS,Sh
1 unit 2E Reg B/C HC/MC L,B,1/2-Sh AllyG/P
4 units 2E Reg C LC B,1/2-JLS,1/2-Sh

So far, a very fun list to play, win or lose. A tad over 1600 points
for 18 units with 106 scouting points, the Regs are an allied
Crimean Tartar command, the Irregs can be split between the CinC and
SubG as desired (I would likely continue with the CinC commanding
the HK and the SubG commanding the LC/LI). I am looking back over
Mark Stone's skirmisher article (again) and going over my ideas on
how to mix in sequenced charges by the HK against heavier types
either in the clear or through the LI. One problem I had last game
though is, when faced with aggresive loose foot, getting my Irr LC
evaded away and leaving the Reg LC alone to get shot up. Not that I
expect to win the battle there (though I had hoped to work out a way
to put in enough shooting between recalls to get a few waver checks
forced) but it would be nice to more safely hold a flexible line in
front of them. Maybe it just needs practice as when I look at it now
afterwards I really can't fully understand why it happened that way
if I spaced things out properly.

Any thoughts?

Good to be back btw

[Greg Regets]

1. Stop trying to get yourself in a battle line. Thats not what this
sort of armies does well. All you really want to do with this army is
fit, try to outflank, and pick a point to slam with your shock arm.
You should be trying to do everything possible to get your opponent
out of his battle line. Remember, you fight pretty effectively this
way, and your opponent probably does not.

2. I feel your list has too many large light units, hence not enough
light units. No matter how big you make your Irr LC, they will be
shot up by 4-on-a-stand foot archers. The key is the make those
archers split fire at harder targets, or even better, make them shoot
in whole at these targets. This is very hard to do when you are
buying 6-stand Irreg LC and 8-stand light infantry.

Putting #1 & #2 together, the real question is how do you pin
effectivley, without getting your whole line shot up. The answer is
easy and obvious enough ... only push every other unit forward. Those
units will get shot and rally back, and the next bound you will push
the other units forward while they rally, and so forth and so forth.
If the enemy tries to pile up on the units pushed forward, he will
tend to fragment his battle line to do it (please take note that this
will rarely happen when you are playing skilled players). Either way,
you have pinned effectively and can withstand the missile fire.
Remember, your 15 CPF allotment is NOT a back account. As long as you
have money left with your pin forces at the end of the game, it's all
good. Typically, when employing this tactic, you will end the game
with most of your pin units at 10-12 CPF, but your opponent will have
wasted his archery doing it, and have scored no points for the effort.

3. You are just about two dimensional with this list. You will either
win with your lights or use your shock arm of cavalry lancers, or
some combination of the two. I would suggest to you that two-thirds
of your opponents will either, a) not be vulnerable to mass lancers,
b) not be vulnerable to light troops, c) not be vulnerable to either
one. That said, against two-thirds of your opponents, you are either
one dimensional or none dimensional.

I think you should be buying less lancers, and some of the combat
infantry. You don't get much and it is not the best in the world, but
thats the reason you are buying all those killer light troops. You
get to pick your spot to attack, and the only way the enemy can keep
you from this end is to throw his own lights out there, which very
much serves your purpose. The infantry and lancers tend to be force
multipliers for each other ... the sum of the whole being greater
than the individual parts.

4. The four stand LMI unit is useful to put in terrian favorable to
you, but since you probably won't be rolling any, they will have to
fill to roll of denying the enemy terrain favorable to them. A 4-
stand unit is too small to accomplish this task. My thought is that
you feel you are forced to buy them (you called them required) which
is true. It would seem obvious that you do not really want them. My
question would be, does taking them as a nothing unit, to save a
handfull of points, serve any purpose? Spend a little more, and get
something that you can learn how to properly use.


Ok ... thats my book for today, and I hope some of thins might be a
bit helpful.

Greg













--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jjmurphy@s...> wrote:
>
> The 15mm Moldavians got painted just in time for the local
quarterly
> Warrior tourney - very happy with how they came out though I am
> still fixing bits of shipping damage and waiting on the transport
> elements which I got seperately. I am looking for some tactics
> pointers with them. Here is the list (letting all the oppoistion
see
> it, oh well) - which having played it once I am committed to (and I
> would say happily) for the rest of the games.
>
> 6 units 2E Irr A/B HK L,Sh - 1 a CinC/PA & 1 a SubG/P
> 4 units 6E Irr C LC JLS,B,Sh (list rule for 1.5 ranks JLS)
> 2 units 8E Irr C LI B,1/2-Sh
> 1 unit required 4E Irr C LMI JLS,Sh
> 1 unit 2E Reg B/C HC/MC L,B,1/2-Sh AllyG/P
> 4 units 2E Reg C LC B,1/2-JLS,1/2-Sh
>
> So far, a very fun list to play, win or lose. A tad over 1600
points
> for 18 units with 106 scouting points, the Regs are an allied
> Crimean Tartar command, the Irregs can be split between the CinC
and
> SubG as desired (I would likely continue with the CinC commanding
> the HK and the SubG commanding the LC/LI). I am looking back over
> Mark Stone's skirmisher article (again) and going over my ideas on
> how to mix in sequenced charges by the HK against heavier types
> either in the clear or through the LI. One problem I had last game
> though is, when faced with aggresive loose foot, getting my Irr LC
> evaded away and leaving the Reg LC alone to get shot up. Not that I
> expect to win the battle there (though I had hoped to work out a
way
> to put in enough shooting between recalls to get a few waver checks
> forced) but it would be nice to more safely hold a flexible line in
> front of them. Maybe it just needs practice as when I look at it
now
> afterwards I really can't fully understand why it happened that way
> if I spaced things out properly.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Good to be back btw