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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:58 am    Post subject: Thinking about Warrior...


I have never played WRG 7th ed., but I have played 6th.

I am wondering if someone could explain the differences in some
detail between the two. I am looking around at different rules, and
like to have options so that I don't have to worry so much about
finding an opponent. I have been having problems finding opponents
for DBM(M), and recently found a new game (Hoplon) that I like very
much, but it is harder to find opponents for it than DBM(M).

So, before I rush out and buy these rules; could someone tell me if
there are any Warrior players in the Houston area, are the rules much
more complicated than 6th edition, what are the basing standards
(i.e. are they the same as DBM?), how much of that overwhelming
reference sheet is necessary to refer to during each turn/bound (I
understand that the term bound was first used in WRG7th/Warrior), and
anything else that people think I might need to know before buying
the game?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Thinking about Warrior...


Hi,

Just to let you know, the group owner has a rule against discussing
comparisons of rules systems in order to keep things nice, friendly
and focused on support for Warrior players, so responses to some of
your questions will have to come offline.

Just on Warrior, though:
- It seems like there are many Warrior players in various parts of
Texas -- I'm sure a Texan will chime in.

- WRG standard 40mm/60mm base width. Close 4 figures, loose 3
figures, open order 2 figures, except loose order regulars are 4 per
base. Should be no problem for you.

- My view is that the ingenious sequence of play is the heart of the
game. The component building block concepts and mechanisms are
simple, but the way the system all fits together becomes deep and
sophisticated. For example, to pass a morale check (waver test) C
class troops need to roll a 3 on a D6. There is one possible +1
modifier and one possible -1 modifer. Simple mechanism, yes?
Sophistication lies in knowing which events force waver tests or
undesirable alternatives in order to avoid the waver tests, and a
big part of tactical skill is avoiding unnecessary waver tests for
your own troops while putting the enemy in positions where he has to
take as many as possible. As a new player, not forgetting waver
triggers is important to me, and that's why I put the list on the
reference sheet. Everything on the sheet is there to make things
easy on me and other new players.

I started by outlining the sequence of play and my related
reminders - something I find useful in any set of rules. One nice
thing about Warrior in particular is that its design facilitated the
natural development of a clean-flowing reference sheet, something
not always achievable.

After a number of revisions, and review by Warrior's rules expert to
check for errors or misleading items, what you see in v1.1 is what I
got. It's working well very well for me in quickly picking up the
game, reminding me of the what, when and how of events, integrating
rules concepts, and letting me think more about tactics without
needing to refer frequently to the rule book as is common when
learning a new game. Of course experienced players have all these
things internalized, and I find myself already looking less at the
sheet as I proceed myself -- but it's nice to have it handy
alongside the combat reference sheet.

You are interested in rules mechanics and how they represent
historical combat, so taking a look at Warrior will be well worth
your time.

Best regards,

Mike

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Re: Thinking about Warrior...


> Hi,
>
> Just to let you know, the group owner has a rule against discussing
> comparisons of rules systems in order to keep things nice, friendly
> and focused on support for Warrior players, so responses to some of
> your questions will have to come offline.
>
> Just on Warrior, though:
> - It seems like there are many Warrior players in various parts of
> Texas -- I'm sure a Texan will chime in.
>


There are avid and experienced players in San Antonio, Corpus Christi, and
Harlingen, and there were quite a few 7th Ed. players in Houston. I don't
know who in Houston still plays (Warrior, heir to 7th Ed), though a few
coverted to DBM before Warrior came out. I've been playing for 20 years:
6th Ed., 7th Ed., and now Warrior. I've read every other ancient rules set
out there. I can assure you that you will not be sorry if you become a
Warrior player. I play Greek Hoplites against everything from Mongols to
Imperial Romans to Medieval Spanish and lose regularly, but I wouldn't
trade it for any other game. I travel to Houston from time to time, so
would be glad to pack the army (your choice of about ten 15mm ones) and
play you if you've got a 6' by 4' table somewhere handy. Just let me know.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Thinking about Warrior...


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, hrisikos@D... wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just to let you know, the group owner has a rule against
discussing
> > comparisons of rules systems in order to keep things nice,
friendly
> > and focused on support for Warrior players, so responses to some
of
> > your questions will have to come offline.
> >
> > Just on Warrior, though:
> > - It seems like there are many Warrior players in various parts
of
> > Texas -- I'm sure a Texan will chime in.
> >
>
>
> There are avid and experienced players in San Antonio, Corpus
Christi, and
> Harlingen, and there were quite a few 7th Ed. players in Houston. I
don't
> know who in Houston still plays (Warrior, heir to 7th Ed), though a
few
> coverted to DBM before Warrior came out. I've been playing for 20
years:
> 6th Ed., 7th Ed., and now Warrior. I've read every other ancient
rules set
> out there. I can assure you that you will not be sorry if you
become a
> Warrior player. I play Greek Hoplites against everything from
Mongols to
> Imperial Romans to Medieval Spanish and lose regularly, but I
wouldn't
> trade it for any other game. I travel to Houston from time to time,
so
> would be glad to pack the army (your choice of about ten 15mm ones)
and
> play you if you've got a 6' by 4' table somewhere handy. Just let
me know.
>
>
> Greek
> Corpus Christi, Texas

I guess I should buy a copy of the rules. They look a little more
complicsated than I am used to. I really like the simplicity of the
DBx rules, but prefer a unit based game with a little more detail and
less abstraction (and hence my attraction to the Hoplon vaiant).

I think that some of my fear is from still remembering the prose of
Phil Barker in the 7th edition just before I mistakenly took a ten
year break from gaming. After seeing the reference sheets I was a
little overwhelmed, but like I said..I think that is only in
anticipation of finding the old style WRG bad-prose in the rules. I
have heard that they have been re-written in a plain english (News
English) style, and are much more legible with examples of play in
them.

I really like having more detail, and would love to have a popular
set of rules to play.

As soon as I get a copy of the rules I will let you know.

BTW...I have been anxious to take on either a Carthaginian army or a
Macedonian or Pyrrhic army with my Republican Romans. I only have
Polybians right now so Pyrrhus may have to wait. I almost decided to
do my Camillans last week, but Xyston is coming out with their
Republican Romans before the end of the year, and I want to replace
my Essex army with a Xyston army.

If you have a Macedonian/Greek Successor army then that would be what
I would mostly like to take on. I don't know how big my Roman army is
for Warrior, but if it iis any comparison to 6th, then I know that it
will be small companered to a DBM army.

Matthew Bailey
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Thinking about Warrior...


Just let us know what Roman figures you have (how many infantry of
what type, cavalry, etc.) and we can roughly tell you what 'point
size' in Warrior it will be.

Frank

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "saint_sicarii" <Judas@d...>
wrote:
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, hrisikos@D... wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Just to let you know, the group owner has a rule against
> discussing
> > > comparisons of rules systems in order to keep things nice,
> friendly
> > > and focused on support for Warrior players, so responses to
some
> of
> > > your questions will have to come offline.
> > >
> > > Just on Warrior, though:
> > > - It seems like there are many Warrior players in various
parts
> of
> > > Texas -- I'm sure a Texan will chime in.
> > >
> >
> >
> > There are avid and experienced players in San Antonio, Corpus
> Christi, and
> > Harlingen, and there were quite a few 7th Ed. players in
Houston. I
> don't
> > know who in Houston still plays (Warrior, heir to 7th Ed),
though a
> few
> > coverted to DBM before Warrior came out. I've been playing for
20
> years:
> > 6th Ed., 7th Ed., and now Warrior. I've read every other ancient
> rules set
> > out there. I can assure you that you will not be sorry if you
> become a
> > Warrior player. I play Greek Hoplites against everything from
> Mongols to
> > Imperial Romans to Medieval Spanish and lose regularly, but I
> wouldn't
> > trade it for any other game. I travel to Houston from time to
time,
> so
> > would be glad to pack the army (your choice of about ten 15mm
ones)
> and
> > play you if you've got a 6' by 4' table somewhere handy. Just
let
> me know.
> >
> >
> > Greek
> > Corpus Christi, Texas
>
> I guess I should buy a copy of the rules. They look a little more
> complicsated than I am used to. I really like the simplicity of
the
> DBx rules, but prefer a unit based game with a little more detail
and
> less abstraction (and hence my attraction to the Hoplon vaiant).
>
> I think that some of my fear is from still remembering the prose
of
> Phil Barker in the 7th edition just before I mistakenly took a ten
> year break from gaming. After seeing the reference sheets I was a
> little overwhelmed, but like I said..I think that is only in
> anticipation of finding the old style WRG bad-prose in the rules.
I
> have heard that they have been re-written in a plain english (News
> English) style, and are much more legible with examples of play in
> them.
>
> I really like having more detail, and would love to have a popular
> set of rules to play.
>
> As soon as I get a copy of the rules I will let you know.
>
> BTW...I have been anxious to take on either a Carthaginian army or
a
> Macedonian or Pyrrhic army with my Republican Romans. I only have
> Polybians right now so Pyrrhus may have to wait. I almost decided
to
> do my Camillans last week, but Xyston is coming out with their
> Republican Romans before the end of the year, and I want to
replace
> my Essex army with a Xyston army.
>
> If you have a Macedonian/Greek Successor army then that would be
what
> I would mostly like to take on. I don't know how big my Roman army
is
> for Warrior, but if it iis any comparison to 6th, then I know that
it
> will be small companered to a DBM army.
>
> Matthew Bailey
> Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Re: Thinking about Warrior...


>
> I guess I should buy a copy of the rules. They look a little more
> complicsated than I am used to. I really like the simplicity of the
> DBx rules, but prefer a unit based game with a little more detail and
> less abstraction (and hence my attraction to the Hoplon vaiant).
>
> I think that some of my fear is from still remembering the prose of
> Phil Barker in the 7th edition just before I mistakenly took a ten
> year break from gaming. After seeing the reference sheets I was a
> little overwhelmed, but like I said..I think that is only in
> anticipation of finding the old style WRG bad-prose in the rules. I
> have heard that they have been re-written in a plain english (News
> English) style, and are much more legible with examples of play in
> them.
>
> I really like having more detail, and would love to have a popular
> set of rules to play.

Given what you say above, Warrior should be for you.


>
> BTW...I have been anxious to take on either a Carthaginian army or a
> Macedonian or Pyrrhic army with my Republican Romans. I only have
> Polybians right now so Pyrrhus may have to wait. I almost decided to
> do my Camillans last week, but Xyston is coming out with their
> Republican Romans before the end of the year, and I want to replace
> my Essex army with a Xyston army.
>
> If you have a Macedonian/Greek Successor army then that would be what
> I would mostly like to take on. I don't know how big my Roman army is
> for Warrior, but if it iis any comparison to 6th, then I know that it
> will be small companered to a DBM army.
>
> Matthew Bailey
> Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam!



Yes. I am heavily invested in and can put together virtually any
Macedonian or Greek army from 500 through 146 b.c. I've also got any
possible combination of Byzantines.

Sounds like your Polybians would be a good match for my Hellenistic
Achaean League, or Later Macedonian Successor lists. BTW, Greece captured
her first gold medal last night...Demosthenes Tampakis on the stationary
rings in gymnastics. Too bad none of the announcers, even Bob Costas,
could say his name right, although the Greek spoke excellent English.



Greek



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Thinking about Warrior...


Actually Bill ... Sofia Bekatorou & Aimilia Tsoulfa of Greece, won a
gold medal in women's 470 class sailing on the 21st. This is no small
athletic accomplishment. You have to be in SERIOUS shape to run at
this class.

The announcers just called each girl, "Nick's Sister."

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Re: Thinking about Warrior...


> Actually Bill ... Sofia Bekatorou &amp; Aimilia Tsoulfa of Greece, won
> a
> gold medal in women's 470 class sailing on the 21st. This is no small
> athletic accomplishment. You have to be in SERIOUS shape to run at
> this class.
>
> The announcers just called each girl, &quot;Nick's Sister.&quot;
>
> g
>
>


Thanks for the correction. Bravo. Bravo.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: Thinking about Warrior...


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Gilson"
<franktrevorgilson@h...> wrote:
> Just let us know what Roman figures you have (how many infantry of
> what type, cavalry, etc.) and we can roughly tell you what 'point
> size' in Warrior it will be.
>
> Frank

I have:

6 elements of Roman/Latin Cavalry of which 2 are command elements
16 elements each of Hastati and Princeps
16 elements of Velites/Leves
8 elements of Triarii
6 elements of Extraordinarii
12 elements of other Italian Allied Infantry (soon to be replaced
with new miniatures)
2 elements of Numidian LH
1 element of Tarantine LH
2 elements of Gallic or Spanish Cavalry
8 elements of Gauls or Spanish warriors
4 elements of Cretan Archers
1 elephant

Within a week or two I should have enough Numidians finished to do a
pretty good sized Numidian allied contingent, and I already have
enough Iberians or Lusitanians to do an allied contingent (But I only
have 2 elements of Spanish Cavalry right now). I think I have 10
Caetrati and 20 Scutarii elements and 2 elements of Iberian LH.

I am sure that I am forgetting something. I know that I have some
other figures that go with this army, but I cannot remember what they
are...Maybe Achaean Peltasts...10 elements. I think that is more than
the DBM list allows, but I haven't seen to Warrior lists. I remember
that the 6th ed. lists had a LOT more troops in the Polybian list
than I have in this army (It is a replacement for the one I lost in
my divorce that was built when I first started playing ancients in
1981. It was WAy bigger than the DBM version)...Did the lists shrink
for 7th/Warrior?

Matthew Bailey


>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "saint_sicarii" <Judas@d...>
> wrote:
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, hrisikos@D... wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Just to let you know, the group owner has a rule against
> > discussing
> > > > comparisons of rules systems in order to keep things nice,
> > friendly
> > > > and focused on support for Warrior players, so responses to
> some
> > of
> > > > your questions will have to come offline.
> > > >
> > > > Just on Warrior, though:
> > > > - It seems like there are many Warrior players in various
> parts
> > of
> > > > Texas -- I'm sure a Texan will chime in.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are avid and experienced players in San Antonio, Corpus
> > Christi, and
> > > Harlingen, and there were quite a few 7th Ed. players in
> Houston. I
> > don't
> > > know who in Houston still plays (Warrior, heir to 7th Ed),
> though a
> > few
> > > coverted to DBM before Warrior came out. I've been playing for
> 20
> > years:
> > > 6th Ed., 7th Ed., and now Warrior. I've read every other
ancient
> > rules set
> > > out there. I can assure you that you will not be sorry if you
> > become a
> > > Warrior player. I play Greek Hoplites against everything from
> > Mongols to
> > > Imperial Romans to Medieval Spanish and lose regularly, but I
> > wouldn't
> > > trade it for any other game. I travel to Houston from time to
> time,
> > so
> > > would be glad to pack the army (your choice of about ten 15mm
> ones)
> > and
> > > play you if you've got a 6' by 4' table somewhere handy. Just
> let
> > me know.
> > >
> > >
> > > Greek
> > > Corpus Christi, Texas
> >
> > I guess I should buy a copy of the rules. They look a little more
> > complicsated than I am used to. I really like the simplicity of
> the
> > DBx rules, but prefer a unit based game with a little more detail
> and
> > less abstraction (and hence my attraction to the Hoplon vaiant).
> >
> > I think that some of my fear is from still remembering the prose
> of
> > Phil Barker in the 7th edition just before I mistakenly took a
ten
> > year break from gaming. After seeing the reference sheets I was a
> > little overwhelmed, but like I said..I think that is only in
> > anticipation of finding the old style WRG bad-prose in the rules.
> I
> > have heard that they have been re-written in a plain english
(News
> > English) style, and are much more legible with examples of play
in
> > them.
> >
> > I really like having more detail, and would love to have a
popular
> > set of rules to play.
> >
> > As soon as I get a copy of the rules I will let you know.
> >
> > BTW...I have been anxious to take on either a Carthaginian army
or
> a
> > Macedonian or Pyrrhic army with my Republican Romans. I only have
> > Polybians right now so Pyrrhus may have to wait. I almost decided
> to
> > do my Camillans last week, but Xyston is coming out with their
> > Republican Romans before the end of the year, and I want to
> replace
> > my Essex army with a Xyston army.
> >
> > If you have a Macedonian/Greek Successor army then that would be
> what
> > I would mostly like to take on. I don't know how big my Roman
army
> is
> > for Warrior, but if it iis any comparison to 6th, then I know
that
> it
> > will be small companered to a DBM army.
> >
> > Matthew Bailey
> > Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam!

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