Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Mark Mallard]

In a message dated 14/01/2005 15:01:11 GMT Standard Time, JonCleaves@...
writes:

You will be able to provide FHE the cover of your old rulebook to receive a
$5 discount on the cost of the new rulebook.



** Jon,

When ordering online from the UK how will this be implimented. I expect to
order 4 or 5 copies at once - maybe more, replacing the original copies in our
group. Will the FHE website be set up to accept the reduced prices? Or will
you issue us with a discount code for each returned cover?

mark mallard


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[joncleaves]

Warrior Press Release 01/05


Welcome to all our new members!!

Oriental Warrior is done! There will be an announcement here when pre-orders
may be made and when the actual ship date is identified.
It is quite the product. Forty-four lists – the most of any list book. And a
LOT of superb research and some very popular armies. And maybe a few that
haven’t been so popular that will now see the light of day!

Classical Warrior is thirty draft lists underway and *will* get done for the
spring. Only nuclear war will prevent a Cold Wars (mid-April) release.

Revised Rulebook
The new rulebook is my big project at the moment. Let me start by saying what
it is *not* - it is not going to contain any changes to the core rules. What it
*will* contain is the following:

-a new professional layout with perfect bound cover and high quality paper
-integration of all the clarifications
-four pages of color
-more examples
-revisions in wording to clear up the intent of rules
-an expanded, consolidated terrain section
-more play aids
-more use of bullet lists, charts and other ‘packaging’ for clarity and ease
of reading

Here’s the current plan – and I am not making an official ‘promise’
here, but I can say that nothing in my ‘hobby life’ and nothing being done
at FHE is as important as holding to the following scheme.

By Cold Wars (April 7th, 2005) I will have a bound prototype to bring with me
and show off to people. Also at that point the rulebook will be sent to our
selected group of readers for editing comments and suggested changes. I will
also make an example chapter of the new rulebook available online so everyone
can see what’s coming as well as make comments. Upon our return from Cold
Wars, we will be receiving and implementing changes with a press date in mid
June. The revised rulebook will then be available starting 21 July at
Historicon and online advanced orders will be accepted starting some date prior
to that, TBD. You will be able to provide FHE the cover of your old rulebook to
receive a $5 discount on the cost of the new rulebook.

This means that Historicon 05 will be somewhat of a transition, with tournaments
being played using the ‘old’ rulebook in preparation for the event, but with
the revised rulebook available at the con. Scott will speak to exactly how that
will be handled at a later date, but I can tell you a couple things about that
now.

1) There have not been and will not be any changes to any core rules. We have
certainly made changes to the way many rules are presented but we have not
changed their intent. In addition, the errata are fully incorporated. At this
point in the writing, there is no mechanical difference between the revised text
and the old text plus errata – it’s just a heck of a lot clearer and better
looking. I don’t see any reason why there should be any immediate difference
between a player using the old book plus errata and a player using the new
rulebook, as far as core rules are concerned. Besides, since some recalcitrants
still have old WRG charts (and even rulebooks!!) beside them at con tables, I am
hardly overly concerned on this point…lol

2) There are four areas where the revised book will be substantively different
from the old that have been or will be addressed so that players will all be on
the same page while we transition.

Section 12. ALL terrain rules have been moved to section 12.0. The definitions
of line of sight as they are affected by elevation have been expanded and
refined. The types of Hills available to be used has been expanded and brought
into line with the realities of how different players and manufacturers model
terrain pieces. The full rules on Temporary Fortifications have been moved into
12.0 as well and significantly cleaned up. The old ‘deviate while marching in
the woods rule’ has been removed to obviate the need to mess with ‘paths
through the woods’ and to eliminate a completely unnecessary complication. It
is the first candidate for an optional rules section.

Section 14. The pregame sequence has been moved here. The terrain generation
rules have been cleaned up to line up with the consolidated terrain rules and to
remove any actual terrain rules from the section on how terrain features are
placed in competition. A lot more information on how to set up competition
games and alternate formats is included.

Weapons. 1HCW will appear as a main line weapon directly in all relevant areas
of the rulebook. 2HCT will be 1.5 ranks if used by a steady non-impetuous unit
with no other hand-to-hand weapon. This will remove the need to reference list
books and errata on these weapons that apply universally to the troops that
carry them anyway.

Fast Warrior lists. The Fast Warrior lists will be somewhat changed to
incorporate errata and to bring them in line with the final versions of the main
lists to include list rules.

The revised Sections 12 and 14 are available in final draft in the files section
of our yahoo group now and apply to all NASAMW tourneys until the revised book
is published.
Errata cleaning up the wording of 1HCW and 2HCT for ‘universal’ use will be
forthcoming shortly.
I am not sure yet what we will do about any Fast Warrior events at Hcon.
However, given the flexible and low-key nature of the Fast Warrior crowd on
Sunday, we’ll probably just play with the new ones…lol

Given the above, the intent will be that a player attending Hcon or otherwise
playing during the transition will have all the raw information available to him
or her that is different between versions of the rulebook.

Note however, that once the revised rulebook is published any future errata or
updates will be to the revised version and not to the original version.
Our goal, which is idealistic we admit, is to not have to revise the rulebook
format again for another 10 years. Five is probably somewhat more realistic,
but I will say that given that after three years we only have 7 pages of
12-pitch errata to the original effort and given that Warrior is one of, if not
the, most intricate miniatures rules sets on the market, there is evidence that
we might just pull that off.
Besides, I have a ton of other things I want to do with the game system other
than spending six months writing the rulebook I wish I had written in the first
place.

Let’s talk about those!

Warrior Battles
Warrior Battles is the introductory version of Warrior. It will use the same
army lists that appear in Fast Warrior. It will include a fast combat
resolution system that can be used for Warrior games as well, if players so
choose. The rulebook will include two complete color cardboard cutout
15mm-equivalent scale armies so that players can begin learning the game
immediately upon purchase. I will return to WB just as soon as the draft
revised rulebook is off to our readers.

Master Army List Book
Once Classical Warrior is published, Scott is on break for a while. He will
spend that time preparing the draft Middle Earth….er, ahem…I mean…er
Traditional Fantasy lists for Fantasy Warrior. At some as yet quite unknown
point down the road (not in 2005 for certain), Scott will begin preparation of
the Master Army List book. This will be an 8.5x11� tome that includes ALL the
Warrior Army lists, with errata incorporated. It will also contain some
additional lists including Hawaiians, sub-periods of some existing lists and
other goodies.

Campaign Warrior
In our market research, after Warrior Battles, the clear winner in terms of
projects you want to see is Campaign Warrior. The good news is, the core of
this product is quite complete. The bad news is, I will not be able to get back
to this and finish the sample campaigns until after WB is done.

Fantasy Warrior
We have provided you with a playtest draft of Fantasy Warrior on the group.
Work on this continues in the background both because we think it will be an
important product for us, especially as a recruiting tool, and because it is so
much damned fun. (We have a Fantasy Warrior tournament and an 8000 point game
coming up this spring here in KC.) The big question will be, once WB is done,
will we want to publish ‘Fantasy Warrior Battles’ or ‘Fantasy Warrior.’
And we can’t answer that question until we see how WB turns out and the
response to it. In the meantime you get the playtest version and periodic
updates and completed test army lists for free…..

Fleet Warrior and Siege Warrior
On the list of things to do after the above are published.

SwordClash
This is our skirmish game (one-one combat). I really enjoy playing this and
think it fills an important niche in gaming (want to do an ambush by a Gallic
war party on a camped squad of Romans?) but our research shows that it falls
behind other products you want to see. I do have a full working playtest copy
of these rules for anyone wishing to try them out.

Warrior beyond 2008.
The above product list takes us to 2008. We will continue to add products and
adapt to your desires and wishes – I am sure we will have plenty to keep us
busy!

Roll up and win!
Jon

[joncleaves]

When ordering online from the UK how will this be implimented. I expect to
order 4 or 5 copies at once - maybe more, replacing the original copies in our
group. Will the FHE website be set up to accept the reduced prices? Or will
you issue us with a discount code for each returned cover?

mark mallard>>

That will all be explained in detail when the time comes.

Jon

[Doug]

What about just clipping a corner of the cover or an inch off the
edge instead of the whole thing? Then the book will still be durable
for loaning out to someone who's interested in the game but not ready
to buy one.
--

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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/14/2005 20:35:59 Central Standard Time,
rockd@... writes:

What about just clipping a corner of the cover or an inch off the
edge instead of the whole thing? Then the book will still be durable
for loaning out to someone who's interested in the game but not ready
to buy one.>>


My reaction would be to say 'you can't be serious'....but I'd be wrong,
wouldn't I? lol

J








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[Doug]

> for loaning out to someone who's interested in the game but not ready
>to buy one.>>
>
>My reaction would be to say 'you can't be serious'....but I'd be wrong,
>wouldn't I? lol
>J

Are you admitting the game is un-learnable from just reading the rulebook :)

If I find someone willing to try any game, I like to let them borrow
a copy of the rules to read. Since I can't afford to buy multiple
copies, its my copy of the the previous revision.
--

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Any chance of clearing up the latent confusion currently preventing
overhead shooting by Catapults and other artillery on hills in your
Rule Book Revisions? :-P

Kevin

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> Warrior Press Release 01/05
>
>
> Welcome to all our new members!!
>
> Oriental Warrior is done! There will be an announcement here when
pre-orders may be made and when the actual ship date is identified.
> It is quite the product. Forty-four lists â€" the most of any
list book. And a LOT of superb research and some very popular
armies. And maybe a few that haven’t been so popular that will
now see the light of day!
>
> Classical Warrior is thirty draft lists underway and *will* get
done for the spring. Only nuclear war will prevent a Cold Wars (mid-
April) release.
>
> Revised Rulebook
> The new rulebook is my big project at the moment. Let me start by
saying what it is *not* - it is not going to contain any changes to
the core rules. What it *will* contain is the following:
>
> -a new professional layout with perfect bound cover and high
quality paper
> -integration of all the clarifications
> -four pages of color
> -more examples
> -revisions in wording to clear up the intent of rules
> -an expanded, consolidated terrain section
> -more play aids
> -more use of bullet lists, charts and other ‘packaging’ for
clarity and ease of reading
>
> Here’s the current plan â€" and I am not making an official
‘promise’ here, but I can say that nothing in my ‘hobby
life’ and nothing being done at FHE is as important as holding to
the following scheme.
>
> By Cold Wars (April 7th, 2005) I will have a bound prototype to
bring with me and show off to people. Also at that point the
rulebook will be sent to our selected group of readers for editing
comments and suggested changes. I will also make an example chapter
of the new rulebook available online so everyone can see what’s
coming as well as make comments. Upon our return from Cold Wars, we
will be receiving and implementing changes with a press date in mid
June. The revised rulebook will then be available starting 21 July
at Historicon and online advanced orders will be accepted starting
some date prior to that, TBD. You will be able to provide FHE the
cover of your old rulebook to receive a $5 discount on the cost of
the new rulebook.
>
> This means that Historicon 05 will be somewhat of a transition,
with tournaments being played using the ‘old’ rulebook in
preparation for the event, but with the revised rulebook available
at the con. Scott will speak to exactly how that will be handled at
a later date, but I can tell you a couple things about that now.
>
> 1) There have not been and will not be any changes to any core
rules. We have certainly made changes to the way many rules are
presented but we have not changed their intent. In addition, the
errata are fully incorporated. At this point in the writing, there
is no mechanical difference between the revised text and the old
text plus errata â€" it’s just a heck of a lot clearer and better
looking. I don’t see any reason why there should be any immediate
difference between a player using the old book plus errata and a
player using the new rulebook, as far as core rules are concerned.
Besides, since some recalcitrants still have old WRG charts (and
even rulebooks!!) beside them at con tables, I am hardly overly
concerned on this point…lol
>
> 2) There are four areas where the revised book will be
substantively different from the old that have been or will be
addressed so that players will all be on the same page while we
transition.
>
> Section 12. ALL terrain rules have been moved to section 12.0.
The definitions of line of sight as they are affected by elevation
have been expanded and refined. The types of Hills available to be
used has been expanded and brought into line with the realities of
how different players and manufacturers model terrain pieces. The
full rules on Temporary Fortifications have been moved into 12.0 as
well and significantly cleaned up. The old ‘deviate while
marching in the woods rule’ has been removed to obviate the need
to mess with ‘paths through the woods’ and to eliminate a
completely unnecessary complication. It is the first candidate for
an optional rules section.
>
> Section 14. The pregame sequence has been moved here. The
terrain generation rules have been cleaned up to line up with the
consolidated terrain rules and to remove any actual terrain rules
from the section on how terrain features are placed in competition.
A lot more information on how to set up competition games and
alternate formats is included.
>
> Weapons. 1HCW will appear as a main line weapon directly in all
relevant areas of the rulebook. 2HCT will be 1.5 ranks if used by a
steady non-impetuous unit with no other hand-to-hand weapon. This
will remove the need to reference list books and errata on these
weapons that apply universally to the troops that carry them anyway.
>
> Fast Warrior lists. The Fast Warrior lists will be somewhat
changed to incorporate errata and to bring them in line with the
final versions of the main lists to include list rules.
>
> The revised Sections 12 and 14 are available in final draft in the
files section of our yahoo group now and apply to all NASAMW
tourneys until the revised book is published.
> Errata cleaning up the wording of 1HCW and 2HCT for
‘universal’ use will be forthcoming shortly.
> I am not sure yet what we will do about any Fast Warrior events at
Hcon. However, given the flexible and low-key nature of the Fast
Warrior crowd on Sunday, we’ll probably just play with the new
ones…lol
>
> Given the above, the intent will be that a player attending Hcon
or otherwise playing during the transition will have all the raw
information available to him or her that is different between
versions of the rulebook.
>
> Note however, that once the revised rulebook is published any
future errata or updates will be to the revised version and not to
the original version.
> Our goal, which is idealistic we admit, is to not have to revise
the rulebook format again for another 10 years. Five is probably
somewhat more realistic, but I will say that given that after three
years we only have 7 pages of 12-pitch errata to the original effort
and given that Warrior is one of, if not the, most intricate
miniatures rules sets on the market, there is evidence that we might
just pull that off.
> Besides, I have a ton of other things I want to do with the game
system other than spending six months writing the rulebook I wish I
had written in the first place.
>
> Let’s talk about those!
>
> Warrior Battles
> Warrior Battles is the introductory version of Warrior. It will
use the same army lists that appear in Fast Warrior. It will
include a fast combat resolution system that can be used for Warrior
games as well, if players so choose. The rulebook will include two
complete color cardboard cutout 15mm-equivalent scale armies so that
players can begin learning the game immediately upon purchase. I
will return to WB just as soon as the draft revised rulebook is off
to our readers.
>
> Master Army List Book
> Once Classical Warrior is published, Scott is on break for a
while. He will spend that time preparing the draft Middle
Earth….er, ahem…I mean…er Traditional Fantasy lists for
Fantasy Warrior. At some as yet quite unknown point down the road
(not in 2005 for certain), Scott will begin preparation of the
Master Army List book. This will be an 8.5x11� tome that includes
ALL the Warrior Army lists, with errata incorporated. It will also
contain some additional lists including Hawaiians, sub-periods of
some existing lists and other goodies.
>
> Campaign Warrior
> In our market research, after Warrior Battles, the clear winner in
terms of projects you want to see is Campaign Warrior. The good
news is, the core of this product is quite complete. The bad news
is, I will not be able to get back to this and finish the sample
campaigns until after WB is done.
>
> Fantasy Warrior
> We have provided you with a playtest draft of Fantasy Warrior on
the group. Work on this continues in the background both because we
think it will be an important product for us, especially as a
recruiting tool, and because it is so much damned fun. (We have a
Fantasy Warrior tournament and an 8000 point game coming up this
spring here in KC.) The big question will be, once WB is done, will
we want to publish ‘Fantasy Warrior Battles’ or ‘Fantasy
Warrior.’ And we can’t answer that question until we see how WB
turns out and the response to it. In the meantime you get the
playtest version and periodic updates and completed test army lists
for free…..
>
> Fleet Warrior and Siege Warrior
> On the list of things to do after the above are published.
>
> SwordClash
> This is our skirmish game (one-one combat). I really enjoy
playing this and think it fills an important niche in gaming (want
to do an ambush by a Gallic war party on a camped squad of Romans?)
but our research shows that it falls behind other products you want
to see. I do have a full working playtest copy of these rules for
anyone wishing to try them out.
>
> Warrior beyond 2008.
> The above product list takes us to 2008. We will continue to add
products and adapt to your desires and wishes â€" I am sure we will
have plenty to keep us busy!
>
> Roll up and win!
> Jon

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/15/2005 09:27:28 Central Standard Time,
kevinandannette@... writes:

Any chance of clearing up the latent confusion currently preventing
overhead shooting by Catapults and other artillery on hills in your
Rule Book Revisions? :-P

Kevin>>

I'd be happy to, Kevin. What's the confusion?

J







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Well done with all of the progress to date Jon.

I am especially looking forward to Oriental Warrior, as have lots of
Chinese figures to paint, just waiting to see how to present them
(Reg, Irreg, close, loose etc).

Am also interested in the Japanese and how they have been treated,
as I would love an excuse to paint a Perry japanese army.

Curty Miniatures have new Mongol and Sung figures which look good
(although haven't seen any in the flesh yet), so lots of options to
play with.

My aim is to have an army from each list book (and if anyone can
tell me what a Sassanid army standard looks like I could nearly
finish that one!).

Keep up the good work.

Muz

[Kelly Wilkinson]

check this out if you want to see some cool stuff. . .
.http://www.fantassin.org/new_photos.htm

murray evans <mdevans@...> wrote:
Well done with all of the progress to date Jon.

I am especially looking forward to Oriental Warrior, as have lots of
Chinese figures to paint, just waiting to see how to present them
(Reg, Irreg, close, loose etc).

Am also interested in the Japanese and how they have been treated,
as I would love an excuse to paint a Perry japanese army.

Curty Miniatures have new Mongol and Sung figures which look good
(although haven't seen any in the flesh yet), so lots of options to
play with.

My aim is to have an army from each list book (and if anyone can
tell me what a Sassanid army standard looks like I could nearly
finish that one!).

Keep up the good work.

Muz





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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/19/2005 18:38:18 Central Standard Time,
malekithau@... writes:

Anyway, I'd like to suggest that the new rulebook also incorporate a
how to section on creating armies.>>

That is something we will do free online...

<< The example Fast Warrior game
(which is excellent BTW) would be a great addition as well >>

That will remain free online also - there's no room in the rulebook for
something that size - I have looked at that very closely.

<<possibly
featuring well painted armies on decent terrain. >>


we will have four color pages of such


<<Oh, and do so something with the Mithridatic fast warrior list
please. Some close combat types would be good.>>

Each of the FW armies is being looked at to make sure it is in line with the
main list in terms of proportions and list rules now that they are all done.
I am not sure what if any changes will be made to the FW list for
Mithradatic...

Jon




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Jon,

Good to see change coming Warriors way, just what it needs.
Personally I am not playing at the moment as I just am not interested
in anything but Classical period armies except Mithridatic - been a
dry few years!

Anyway, I'd like to suggest that the new rulebook also incorporate a
how to section on creating armies. The example Fast Warrior game
(which is excellent BTW) would be a great addition as well possibly
featuring well painted armies on decent terrain.

Oh, and do so something with the Mithridatic fast warrior list
please. Some close combat types would be good.

John