Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

David

We do not currently have the resources for our own indpendent website.

Having said that, this group allows us to upload, download and discuss. What
functionality are we missing here on the yahoo group site that you'd like?

You do know that the rules draft, play aids and old army lists are all here to
be downloaded, yes?

Jon

[joncleaves]

Well, I would certainly support posting AAR's, pictures of games, alternate army
lists, tactical hints, etc. here, and I will also once we are underway.

But if a 'fan' wants to take up the site mission.....

[joncleaves]

Um, Wayne, all those other sites have one thing in common we do not have - a
published rules set.

One thing at a time, man. :)

[Dave Smith]

Is there a Warrior website, or Warrior fan web site? Several other
rules systems have an 'unofficial' fan site which really is a
repository for all kinds of things (DBA's Fanaticus, Drilled and
Stubborn for WAB, etc.).

[Dave Smith]

JonCleaves@a... wrote:

We do not currently have the resources for our own indpendent website.
Having said that, this group allows us to upload, download and
discuss. What functionality are we missing here on the yahoo group
site that you'd like? You do know that the rules draft, play aids and
old army lists are all here to be downloaded, yes?


***Well, I was thinking more along the lines of an 'ezine', with
AAR's, pictures of games, alternate army lists, tactical hints, etc.
Sort of an online Spearpoint/Wargames Illustrated, specifically
geared towards Warrior. I'm sure you're familiar with the Fanaticus
website; http://fanaticus.org. I think this guy does a terrific job
in supporting and promoting DBA, as well as offering his viewers a
repository for ancillary topics like new figure releases and figs for
sale, etc.

This certainly is adequate, as far as I can tell, and provides a nice
forum for rules discussion, and information gathering. I think
perhaps at some point in time, a 'fan' of the system will put up
an 'unofficial' website that certainly could help stimulate interest.

Dave

--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> Well, I would certainly support posting AAR's, pictures of games,
alternate army lists, tactical hints, etc. here, and I will also
once we are underway.
>
> But if a 'fan' wants to take up the site mission.....

Hopefully more than one Warrior Fanatic will. I think what Warrior is
missing that other rulesets have is all the free marketing that a
dedicated fan base can provide on the Web.

I say this from the perspective of one of the New Old Guys who
dropped out of miniature wargaming for many years and did a lot of
searching for systems when I recently came back. Searching the
internet I found dozens of sites for DBA, WHAB, DBM. Hundreds of
photos, AAR, many mailing lists and electronic forums. For
WRG7th/Warrior I found this one mailing list and a few out of date
sorry-looking websites. Each of these other systems has hundreds of
people on their lists/boards generating hundreds of messages
everyday. Its was exciting to see what's become of Ancients in the
intervening years. This thanks to to the dedicated fan bases willing
to create these sites for their fav games.

And in comparison WRG7th/Warrior fanbase gives the internet-savy
wanna-be ancients player . . . i tell you when I find it. :-(

Honestly, if I hadn't recognized some of the names behind FHE, I
would have given up on Warrior long ago. (Actually I recognize Scott
Holder's name and I'm confident that anything in this field that
Scott is dedicated to won't fail for lack of trying.) But say I don't
know Scott and I'm just a typical 21st century minature's gamer,
connected to the internet but not a big convention goer. I may have
looked at the other rulesets' internet presence compared it to
Warrior and decided Warrior was a small niche and the others were
where the action is.

Even as it is, I've looked at he DBM pictures on the 'net and been
motivated enough to once again paint to same kind of armies I see
there. I've joined in the DBM mailing lists and been excited by
the 'oomph' of the players dedicated to DBM there. I'm damn excited
about my prospects for DBM in the future.

AND THEN NOTICE, I haven't even talked about the relative merits of
the rulesystems yet! Maybe it doesn't matter, the others have
prescence and Warrior doesn't. What differnce does it make whether
Warrior's a better system if I haven't even given it a chance because
I've alraedy given up on it. (BTW I have read Warrior and DBM,
haven't given up on it - that was a hypothetical).

Now I know FHE can only do so much and they can't make their fans
support their system like others have done for their favs, but it
would be nice it the fans on their own did something to support
Warrior via the internet. Now of course Warrior can succeed on its
own merits without an internet presence, afterall that's how systems
succeed in the old days. But it would be nice to have its success on
its merits aided along a little by its supporters. Maybe the numbers
just aren't there but even relative to the numbers of supporters of
other systems Warrior fanbase support on the internet seems
nonexistent. How much trouble would it be for one fan to set up one
free webpage showcasing some of the fun that can be had with
WRG7th/Warrior with some photos and AARS. Give me some incentive to
paint a Warrior army rather than a stinkin' WHAB army! Whay wait for
the actual publication date, there's nothing to stop you from doing
it now. C'mon Warrior fans, give me incentive to join your games!

Signed, sitting on the fence with faith in Scott but no indication
that Warrior has any true 'fanatics,'

Wayne Melnick
"Full power to shields Scotty!"

[joncleaves]

Wayne, I am into all that. But, as I tried to say and failed, without a game
yet, there is technically nothing to be a fan OF at this point.

Once we have a game to actually PLAY, then we'll have pictures, reports, etc and
can go looking for the best way to get the word out to the most people.

Not only am I not in sales or advertising, I'm not into game publishing, either.
I hunt war criminals and spies. Game publishing is still a hobby for us at FHE,
not for lack of desire for it to be bigger, but because we have full time jobs
all.

But, I'm with you on some fan or fans making a splendiferous website, which i
will support the hell out of...

Jon, lost in 2.53....

--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> Um, Wayne, all those other sites have one thing in common we do not
have - a published rules set.
>
> One thing at a time, man. :)

Jon,

I guess you're not in sales or advertising in real life are you? :-)

But anyway I'm not asking anything more from FHE, I'm hoping from
more
from fans of WRG7th/Warrior. I know plenty of guys are playing it
even
without a published rulebook. It's very simple for some of its fans
to
set up a free webpage, upload some photos, write a few words and show
the uniniated what the spectacle of Warrior can be. Now I've been out
of miniatures gaming for a long time, but into board gaming. Current
fav is something called Age of Renaissance, an out of print Avalon
Hill title. Relatively few people play it compared to miniatures
games. But that and the fact that's it's out of print is more reason
for its diehard fans to promote it. It's in our interest as fans to
bring in other fans. So I've created a Age of Renaissance Web page
(and so have others) showings photos of games, AARs, things to make
the game attratice I hope. If I can do it for my favorite game,
Warrior fans can do it for Warrior.

Of course there are other ways to offer support, but I speak from
experience from both ends, I've set up a webpage to attract gamers to
Age of Renaissance - I've been attracted to games via webpages. It's
a
dirty secret, but I've actually played some games of DBA. Being a
former WRG7th player who appreciated the complexity of it, I'd have
never thought I'd be interested in DBA. But there it was all over the
internet in pictures and words so I was attracted. I know own the
rules and appreciate the game for what it is and wil play it
occassionally. I've also been a long time DBM player, and had fun
with
that two. It's internet presence is huge and the pull to an old-timer
irresistible. I expect I'll be playing that sometime soon too.

And then there is WRG7th/Warrior which deserves a much better
internet
presence. There's got to be other oldtimers like me out there who but
for a bit of luck, wouldn't now the system is on the verge of coming
back with some of the old thrill we remember. I think its fandom is
missing an excellent opportunity to promote its fav rules even before
they are published (and I could care less if it steals players from
DBM, if all goes well I myself will be playing DBA, DBM, Warrior and
Terry Gore's system if I can find a copy of his rulebook which I
believe is temporarily out of print.)

I say hoping because frankly the key to my future with Warrior is its
popularity. I'll play solo games now with the playtest rulebook, but
if Warrior doesn't achieve a certain level of popularity so that I
can
hope to find opponents, no matter how well I like the system, I'll be
putting it aside.

So I'm hoping for big things from Warrior and wish FHE all the
success
in the world, but for the near future I'm hoping for more support to
you from its fanbase while FHE is busy with other matters, and I'd
don't see any reason for its true fanatics to get complacent and
think
they can't promote the system now because the published rulebook.

Wayne Melnick

Wayne,
Medieval Warfare has been reprinted, and includes all the updates,
etc. through July 2001. I have copies available. Email me for
details. Ancient Warfare is in playtesting and can be downloaded from
our rules group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoreAMwar along with
the army lists to both sets of rules, color counters, pictures, etc.
Terry
--- In WarriorRules@y..., "Wayne Melnick" <wayne_melnick@h...> wrote:
I think its fandom is
> missing an excellent opportunity to promote its fav rules even
before
> they are published (and I could care less if it steals players from
> DBM, if all goes well I myself will be playing DBA, DBM, Warrior
and
> Terry Gore's system if I can find a copy of his rulebook which I
> believe is temporarily out of print.)