Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Chris Bump]

Jon,

An issue came up in the game today that I am relatively certain (if there is
such a state of mind) we played correctly. However, we could not find the
description in the rules and suspect it may come under list rules.

Japanese HC armed with 2HCW and B are allowed per the list to fight in wedge.
Consequently, we played that they fight as 5 figures when charging or
pursuing, but not in rounds of combat subsequent to first contact. I know
that this is how the old wedge rule was played, but again we could not find
the actual rule and the question arose why not continue to fight as 5 figures
in subsequent bounds? All of this assumes a 2 element 6 fig unit, and
obviously only fighting in column, even after first contact. Did we play it
correctly, and where, if anywhere, is this process described?

A Japanese foot unit armed with 2HCW and Bow and consisting of 6 elements 2
wide and 3 deep charges a Roman LHI made up of 2 elements 1 wide by 2 deep.
In the initial charge the Japanese foot fire in support from the second rank.
During combat the Japanese foot are recoiled and the Roman LHI follow up and
expand, but in doing so does not expand into the other element of the
Japanese but rather to the other flank so that now each side is overlapping
the other to his own right. During the subsequent round of combat the
Japanese player wanted to support shoot and argued that the rules state that
they may do so from the non- fighting second rank because the Roman expansion
was not in contact with the Japanese unit (only touching corner to corner)
and the rule on support shooting allows such shots if the unit being shot has
any elements not in contact with the HtH opponent.

Does corner to corner count as in contact, if so/ not, was the Japanese
support shot in the second round of combat legal even though their opponent
was only 1 rank deep? Is there a detailed description of this in the rules,
or could the rules on support shooting be simplified even more?

At this point we are only focusing on finding any holes left in the rules and
pointing them out for a hopeful plug. I really think, knowing as little as
I know about where you are in the final process, that you might consider an
editor who is a word smith and could simplify all that you are trying so
valiantly to accomplish. I believe if we are to truly grow as a rule set
being used, and a I think that it is your intention to write the rules in
such a way that someone could buy them and, having figures, play after
reading them, rather than the current method of years of proctorship before
one is ready to strike out on his own. Terribly sorry for that run-on
abortion of a sentence, hurrying to get to bed.

Chris

Chris

Jon,

The same question re: wedge forming Samurai HC occurs with Huscarls
with 2HCW, no longer forming wedge. Do they fight 1.5 ranks ALL the
time? Or only when charging / countercharging? If they were in
wedge, they would still count 1.5 even if standing to recieve a
charge.

Cheers



--- In WarriorRules@y..., cncbump@a... wrote:
> Jon,
>
> An issue came up in the game today that I am relatively certain (if
there is
> such a state of mind) we played correctly. However, we could not
find the
> description in the rules and suspect it may come under list rules.
>
> Japanese HC armed with 2HCW and B are allowed per the list to fight
in wedge.
> Consequently, we played that they fight as 5 figures when charging
or
> pursuing, but not in rounds of combat subsequent to first contact.
I know
> that this is how the old wedge rule was played, but again we could
not find
> the actual rule and the question arose why not continue to fight as
5 figures
> in subsequent bounds? All of this assumes a 2 element 6 fig unit,
and
> obviously only fighting in column, even after first contact. Did
we play it
> correctly, and where, if anywhere, is this process described?
>
> A Japanese foot unit armed with 2HCW and Bow and consisting of 6
elements 2
> wide and 3 deep charges a Roman LHI made up of 2 elements 1 wide by
2 deep.
> In the initial charge the Japanese foot fire in support from the
second rank.
> During combat the Japanese foot are recoiled and the Roman LHI
follow up and
> expand, but in doing so does not expand into the other element of
the
> Japanese but rather to the other flank so that now each side is
overlapping
> the other to his own right. During the subsequent round of combat
the
> Japanese player wanted to support shoot and argued that the rules
state that
> they may do so from the non- fighting second rank because the Roman
expansion
> was not in contact with the Japanese unit (only touching corner to
corner)
> and the rule on support shooting allows such shots if the unit
being shot has
> any elements not in contact with the HtH opponent.
>
> Does corner to corner count as in contact, if so/ not, was the
Japanese
> support shot in the second round of combat legal even though their
opponent
> was only 1 rank deep? Is there a detailed description of this in
the rules,
> or could the rules on support shooting be simplified even more?
>
> At this point we are only focusing on finding any holes left in the
rules and
> pointing them out for a hopeful plug. I really think, knowing as
little as
> I know about where you are in the final process, that you might
consider an
> editor who is a word smith and could simplify all that you are
trying so
> valiantly to accomplish. I believe if we are to truly grow as a
rule set
> being used, and a I think that it is your intention to write the
rules in
> such a way that someone could buy them and, having figures, play
after
> reading them, rather than the current method of years of
proctorship before
> one is ready to strike out on his own. Terribly sorry for that run-
on
> abortion of a sentence, hurrying to get to bed.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris

[joncleaves]

Wedge is a 'list rule' Will not be in the basic rule book.

For now, for those 7th lists that have wedging troops that are NOT already
armed witha weapon that EVER fights 1.5, that troop fights 1.5 AT FIRST
CONTACT (pursuit, for example, is not first contact).

Please print this mail and post it where you play games. :)

Jon

[Harlan Garrett]

Jon:

Just so I make sure I understand, "wedging" troops only get the 1.5 ranks in
first contact not when pursuit? What about converted charge?

Harlan

-----Original Message-----
From: JonCleaves@... [mailto:JonCleaves@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:50 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Wedging Troops


Wedge is a 'list rule' Will not be in the basic rule book.

For now, for those 7th lists that have wedging troops that are NOT already
armed witha weapon that EVER fights 1.5, that troop fights 1.5 AT FIRST
CONTACT (pursuit, for example, is not first contact).

Please print this mail and post it where you play games. :)

Jon

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[joncleaves]

We will be solving two problems at once when I nail down a definition of 'first
contact' and state it explicitly in the rules. Just not what I am working on at
the moment. I will get to it and then we can publish the interim wedge list
rule once and for all.