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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: High Medieval Theme Musings

Hopefully, this Theme won't turn into the Feudal Spanish vs HYWE Theme although I'm sure the usual Power Gamers amongst us won't be able to resist that siren song. Smile

The last time we ran this theme, the Swiss won in both scales. So if that happens again, hmmmmmmmm.

Actually, I'm hoping that folks will bring a variety of armies, okay, I always hope that. I'll be playing Burgundian Ordonnance, yeah sure, I could power game this but I like Charles the Bold, er, the Hapless. Plus, I tend to take armies that I can tweak to do one or two things well as suits my playing style, ala how either Mark or Ewan described Sean Scott's approach to the Italian Condotta. What I'm playing around with is the whole effectiveness of SHK/HC. With this list, I have to be very careful in terms of how I attack, or usually counterattack, since I have nothing but Reg knights, thus, I can't simply toss em in willy nilly or disordered if they're backed by HC.

I recall Rob Turnball musing about bringing Early Burgundian since he could create a list with 3 troops types, Irr B knights, hordes of LMI longbowmen and LI CBmen. Easy list and lethal.

I'm also guessing that at least one German list will show up (Rich Kroupa has an affinity for the German lists not unlike Sean for Condotta). And if Dick Hurchanik can play Prussians in the NICT, why not this year in the theme?

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject:

I think that there are a bunch of viable armies here, and a *lot* of this is guessing what others are going to bring. Do you want Almughavars to defeat your opponents' spear blocks? Knights to beat their Almughavars? Spear blocks to beat their knights? Smile

[Dismounting is also going to play a huge role. Partly for that reason, I think SHK/(E)HK units are the way to go, where available, rather than all-SHK.]

I played through a bunch of the lists, and have even invested some eBay money Smile in figures for the one I think I am going to try out... nothing like I have ever played before, and doubtless I'll go in with zero games using it!
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: High Medieval Theme Musings

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Hopefully, this Theme won't turn into the Feudal Spanish vs HYWE Theme although I'm sure the usual Power Gamers amongst us won't be able to resist that siren song. Smile


Power gaming is for the NICT; the theme tourney is for fun. I'll be playing Italian Condotta, specifically Late Venetians in Italy with Swiss allies, in 15mm. My theory is that the Swiss are at their best when they are accompanied by the support troops from somebody else's list.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject:

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My theory is that the Swiss are at their best when they are accompanied by the support troops from somebody else's list.


Agreed. This works for the Scots schiltrons also: I think that they're better in both the WotR Lancastrian and the Medieval French lists than in their own. And pretty decent as part of both.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject:

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My theory is that the Swiss are at their best when they are accompanied by the support troops from somebody else's list.


Agreed. This works for the Scots schiltrons also: I think that they're better in both the WotR Lancastrian and the Medieval French lists than in their own. And pretty decent as part of both.


Yes, I thought seriously about running Medieval French. However, I don't have a Joan of Arc figure (that's the period I'd run), I don't think it quite works in 15mm, and I'm not hauling two 25mm armies across country. Besides, after a year plus of tinkering with 10 Independent States I'm ready to run something with some light cav in it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject:

My thoughts were strictly 25mm. This will be a gorgeous theme event. And Mark, you're absolutely right, the Theme is supposed to be a "lighter" tourney in terms of teeth grinding.

And I forgot that if Jamie Gentry is there, you can bet he'll bring some Scots list. I'm not sure if Jake will be free on Friday, he's been playing Irish of some ilk as has Phil Gardocki. Of course Jake could get really radical and role out his Hussites. And of course Sean would play Italian Condotta, either scale. So yeah, this could shape up to be a fairly broad event.

I almost have to go with at least a partial set of SHK/HC in order to afford other stuff. Heaven forbid if I ever need to dismount. If I'm at that point with this list, I've lost already.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject:

If I can beat the logistical problems of transporting an extra army just for the theme, I will, of course, be playing Italian Condotta (Venetians in Greece) for the obvious reason that it is the only allowed list that contains Greek troops.

So much for "power gaming." My experience is that it is more fun to win with such an army, and that much like racquets in tennis or clubs in golf, there is a limit to what can be blamed on list choice as opposes to skill of play.

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