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Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules A Four Horsemen Enterprises Rules Set
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Frank Gilson Moderator
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Orange County California
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: New rules book questions |
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Mark Stone wrote: |
Every reading of the rule book teaches me something new, or reminds me of something long forgotten. I'm sure it has always been the case that while D is a missile weapon, D-armed troops are not classified as missile troops (matters for prompting charges under "Attack" orders). But I "rediscovered" this little nugget while reading yesterday.
That's not my question.
My question -- and this ties in loosely to the question that came up about Swiss-Roman interaction -- has to do with replacing in combat and first contact. On page 3, under "First Contact", the last sentence says that "an element charged by replacers does not count as in first contact".
Now, maybe this has always been the case, or always intended to be the case, but this was new information to me, and I just wanted to make sure I understand. So here's the situation:
My English longbowmen (Reg B LHI 2HCW,LB) charge a unit of French LI crossbowmen, who evade and are caught and routed. The longbowmen pursue the routers, maintaining contact. Next bound a unit of French sergeants (Irr C HC L,Sh) charges through the LI, replacing them in contact, and slamming Impetuously into the longbowmen, who pass their waver for being charged by mounted.
Previously, this is not a situation that would have worried me much. I'm 4@5 (2HCW vs. HC) +1 (pursuing) = 4@6. I'd have figured the cav as 5@4 (lance vs. LHI) +1 (charging) +2 (impetuous) -1 (disordered for interpenetrating the LI) = 5@6. Not a big difference, and odds are I'll roll better than the French.
In light of this sentence on Page 3, however, it appears I've calculated the situation wrong, the longbowmen do not count as at first contact, and hence count shieldless, giving the HC an additional +2 and pretty much dooming the longbowmen.
So my question: in the situation described above, is the intent of "First Contact" on page 3 that the longbowmen indeed count as shieldless?
-Mark Stone |
Raising a long answered rules question as...Jon was incorrect to say 'yes' that the longbowmen count shieldless here as the operative rule is:
7.1 Shields
"Steady foot using pike, LTS, 2HCT or 2HCW cannot count shieldless (even if they do not possess shields) to frontal opponents’ hand-to-hand weapons when charging or being charged."
So, steady longbowmen, not at first contact (due to a replacement situation), charged (by replacers) DO count shielded. Also, Mark's LB unit does not get the +1 for pursuing (as foot, not pursuing the replacers that hit them). |
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