Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Noel White]

Hey Guys,
I was looking through the fast warrior lists the other day and I found a few possible errors.

First of all there are no Samurai rules in the list rule section. This could lead to confusion since list 264 Feudal Japanese lists 6E worth of LEHI. Anyone new to the game will not understand, since such a troop type is not in the rulebook.

List 237 Early turk lists " 2X Horse Archers 4E Irr C LC JLS Sh" -- no bows!

List 54 Late Achaemenid Persian lists "Satrapal Archers and Slingers" but they only have bow.

List 56 Camillan Roman should probably have x2 Principes, but the x2 appears on the end of the line above.


I assume the lack of Mongol special rules is intentional.
There might be more, I'll keep my eyes open.

Noel.

[Macbeth]

Noel,

The Fast Warrior Lists were compiled long before most of the army list books were written - List Rules were generally compiled when the lists were written.

The primary exception being the List Rule to allow artists that formerly fought with 1 rank weapons in wedge to fight 1.5 ranks - that was discussed during the playtest versions of the rules, likewise the attempt to give Medieval Scots Spearmen an "edge" - the list rule for Fast Warrior is different to that of Feudal Warrior but has pretty much the same effect.

As we haven't gotten hold of the revised rulebook here in Australia yet I can't comment as to whether the new edition has changed any of the Fast Warrior lists to get back in sync with the current lists.

cheers

[Todd Schneider]

Actually, I went through the Fast Warrior Lists. I pointed them all out, then looked to see how they matched up with list minimums, and then made recommendations on changes. I sent them to Scott, who was the final word gon what was changed and why.

Todd

[Macbeth]

Thanks for the Info Todd,

by this do you mean the new edition of the rules - I have just heard that the books have arrived today. I get to pick mine up at the end of the month.

Did you just adjust the troop minimums or were the troop armour/weapons/classifications/etc changed if they had changed between the old Fast Warrior lists and the publication of the Army List books -

For Example

Vietnamese Elephants have about 6 crew figures in Fast Warrior and only 2 in Oriental Warrior.
Viking Huscarls in Fast Warrior are armed with both JLS and 2HCW unlike the Dark Age Warrior where it is one or the other.
King David and Scots Common spearmen treated as P in Fast Warrior with a max 2 ranks list rule, wheras in Feudal Warrior they are LTS with a 2 ranks always list rule. The performance is almost identical - but has subtle differences.

I guess that I can wait another couple of weeks to find out but if you can give me the heads up I'd be grateful.

Cheers

[Todd Schneider]

[Noel White]

Hey Macbeth.
Yeh, I do mean the new rule book. It's quite good. You'll like it.

The intent of my original post was to point out some possible errors, from the viewpoint of someone who had just purchased the new rulebook, hereby known as "bob the noob".

If bob had read the book and was trying to play a fast warrior game he might be a little confused when he looked at the Feudal Japanese list and found a unit type that isn't in his rulebook (like LEHI).
This is in contrast to what bob would have read regarding the macedonians, swiss, romans, hoplites..... at the beginging of the fast warrior list section there are special rules regarding such troops.


If bob had friends with the oriental warrior list book, he'd be okay. Some say you can't learn Warrior from just reading the book -- that someone has to teach you -- but I assume the guys at 4HE would like prefer the book (and the Fast Warrior rules) to stand alone. So I thought I'd tell them.

The other stuff was just rulebook typos and other nonsense, inevitable in large works such as this.

Noel.

[Macbeth]

Todd, Noel,

thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the new book at the end of this month.

Cheers