Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Mark Stone · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: when do chargers fit

I've uploaded a powerpoint slide titled "charge_fit.ppt", under the topic "charge fit 2" to the files section. Here's the associated question:

Background: In charging, we go through three steps:

And now the question: In a frontal charge, when must the charger be able to fit: at contact, at conforming, or at lining up?

In 6.163E, the only word used is "contact". But the illustration, 6-13, seems to use lining up as the requirement.

The powerpoint slide I uploaded reflects the exact situation as it occurred at Cold Wars:
* Mounted Unit A could have lined up to first make contact in a charge with the flank of Unit 1, but didn't bother since in lining up Unit A would have been partially off the table, and it was presumed that this would therefore not be a legal flank charge. So I guess that's one question: could Unit A charge Unit 1 in the flank?
* Unit A clearly has all kinds of room to fit at contact, but Unit B would prevent it from fitting when either conforming or lining up. So can Unit A charge Unit 1?

-Mark Stone

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Mounted unit A does NOT look like it can flank charge unit 1. Now, this may be a problem with viewing the ppt, but it look like if A goes straight ahead or wheels to the right (it cannot wheel to the left) it will hit with part of the lead element overlapping the front of 1.

It can certainly charge 1 frontally - it will not be able to line up due to B. Unit 1 will line up with Unit A if Unit 1 is unsupported (which seems to be the case) and if it is, there will be no full lining up until space is created, but the hth will be fught as though it had occurred.

Note that the diagram 6-13 and your example are different cases. In 6-13 there is no way to make contact without involving the friendly unit. In your example, unit A can make contact with unit 1 without involving B.

Mark Stone · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject:

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

I can only see one diagram. it is called charge fit 2 and it does not show A in contact. Where it shows A does not appear - from the diagram - that a flank charge is legal. If you say it was legal, ok by me. The diagram isn't to scale and I am just going by what my eyes tell me.
Flank charges arena't about contacting the flank first, they are in cases. This would have been a case 2. If A could get to 1 with all of A's lead element behind the flank of 1, but once lined up could not stay on the table due to the proximity of the table edge, then the charge could not be made. is that what you're asking?

Mark Stone · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject:

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Mistake? In the event, Scott only gives right answers.

scott holder · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject:

Mark Stone · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject:

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Scott and I have been talking. Example 6-13 could be looked at to override 6.165 B and C (which it does not, but *could* be looked at to). Probably what I will do is a new 6-13 example and a replacement page.

6.165 B and C are the rules that matter so long as there is room to make *those* happen (that is contact can be made, and it is not a case II).