Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Ambrose Coddington

6.7 (pg 65-66). Add: “A body that includes animals voluntarily moving (including maneuvering) in or into a very rough area must be and remain in column."

Does this apply to dismounted infantry?
Does this apply to dismounted cavalry?

As it reads right now it seems to.

Thanks.

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Yes and yes (and always has...).

Ambrose Coddington · Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject:

OK just to be completely clear on this then.

As the unit is moving it must remain in column.

Can the unit perform a formation change out of column while in Woods as long as it does not move beyond the formation change?

In other words, a unit of LMI dismounted infantry moves in to some woods in column.
Next bound they perform a formation change to block but do not move beyond that.
The next bound they decide that they need to move again and revert to column.

The second paragraph is illegal correct?

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

That is indeed absolutely illegal.

We found that some players were using sematics to claim that formation changes were not movement for this purpose, so we issued the errata to make it as explicit as it could possibly be to prevent this.

Ambrose Coddington · Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject:

Excellent!

Just thought of a few other areas where issues could arise:

1 Spanish war dogs. The list rule says they move as LMI (Or LI don't have it in front of me) However they contain animals so they must move in column.

2. Incendiary pigs, oxen, ect. The units clearly contain animals so do they fall under this category as well?

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

War dogs are expendables. Column? lol

And yes, the other is true too. As it always has been.

You know, instead of thinking about how you can get your flaming ox-cart toting unit into a woods, that time might be better spent reading ancient history..... Smile

Ambrose Coddington · Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject:

Oh it doesn't come from that Jon!

Plus I don't use flammable animals! Razz

The war dog thing could have been an issue. I agree that expendables in column is laughable. Still the question needed to be asked.

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

A column of one element?? One element expendable bodies are always in column and can never not be. Out of curiousity, why do you think that needed to be asked? You don't have any War Dog units of more than one element do you? Wink

jamiepwhite · Recruit Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 213 Location: Florida

I'm trying to think of concrete examples of mounted infantry that is loose or open order that would want to be in block or line in very difficult terrain and these following are two. The application of the errata seems historically obvious for close mounted infantry, just seems counter intuitive for these examples.

Regular loose order foot like the Burgundian ordnance longbowmen or Japanese samurai are decent examples of useful troops that someone might position on the slope of a steep hill, in an unfortified built over area, or in the woods. The wording of the rules seems pretty straight forward, if you buy an unmounted 4 element unit of either then they can tactically move in block or line in the very difficult terrain. Troops from the same line in a four element unit if you upgrade them to mounted then are restricted to column in very difficult terrain. If you deploy them on the table on bound 1 not mounted, then their mounts are assumed to be taken away at the end of bound 1 and then they could move in block or line in very difficult terrain?

My simple but nifty table of permitted formations

Troop terrain formations allowed
dismounted....... open ........... any
infantry

dismounted ......... rough .................. any
infantry, loose
or open

dismounted ............. very difficult ................. column only?
infantry, loose
or open

dismounted ........... very difficult ............ any?
infantry, loose
or open, mounts
taken away at
end of bound 1

Would you confirm that I am expressing this right? I think I am correctly applying the errata in a straight forward fashion but I would have expected that loose or open mounted infantry to be without such restrictions.

Thanks,

Jamie

(Tried to edit the table to line up the columns better)

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

You can be at the top edge of a steep slope in block and very rough does not count the defended edge of a Village.

The standard is not what someone in our age might want to do with these troops, but what was actually done with them.