Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Rich Pichnarczyk · Recruit Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 15 Location: New Jersey

Jon or anyone else willing to answer,
A 3rd or 4th rank loose order element with 2HCW + shield participated in combat (using a "Barbarian" charge) using "other weapons" in Round 1. The enemy is recoiled and the same 3rd or 4th rank element (not disordered) is following up and is permitted to expand into an overlapping element of the "recoiled" enemy unit in Round 2 of combat.

Does the 2HCW loose order element count shieldless since it fought last round as "other weapons" in the "Barbarian charge" or would it count shielded since it is now 2HCW "at 1st contact"?

Thank you in advance for your answer and Happy Thankgiving to all,
Rich Pichnarczyk

Kelly Wilkinson · Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: Overlapping 2Hcw

Rich,

If you're overlapping and not in face to face contact, I would think that it would not matter as you are not in contact with enemy. I certainly am interested in the answer from the rules guy though.

k

Rich Pichnarczyk · Recruit Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 15 Location: New Jersey

Kelly,
I agree with you if it is overlapping. But my question has to do with "face to face" contact on the 2nd round from an expansion of the 3rd or 4th rank element from the 1st round "Barbarian charge".
Rich Pichnarczyk

scott holder · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject:

Read page 3 of the rule book. It defines First Contact.

In the example you provide, the elements in question would be shieldless.

scott

Rich Pichnarczyk · Recruit Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 15 Location: New Jersey

Thanks Scott

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Sorry, you had to wait, Rich. Will be better next time.

Ed Kollmer · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1018

So in this situation: My one element wide by 2 deep legionaires unit are in contact with Gauls, I charge through the legionaire elements with my Praetorian unit of the same size.
The Praetorian are at FIRST CONTACT?? Yes or No
Do the Gauls consider it as first contact? I say NO,
But what of the Praetorians?
I know this has been explained before, I remember figuring it out and asking a long time ago, but now I can't remember what was said.
Ed the forgetful Kollmer Embarassed

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

"First Contact: A situation where an element (and any
behind it) in the current bound charged, counter-charged,
was charged or is involved in resolving a converted charge.
An exception is a body charged by troops replacing others in
contact (6.523) – an element charged by replacers does not
count as in first contact."

Praetrians yes, Gauls no.

Ed Kollmer · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1018

THAnks . My Praetorians are happy