Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[scott holder]

Classical Warrior:

23 -- Alex Imperial. 1500 points

24 -- Asiatic Early Successor. 1600 points

25 -- Lysimachid. 1680 points

27 -- Early Seleucid. 1500 points

34 -- Later Carthaginian. 1600 points

35 -- Bactrian Greek. 1760 points

36 -- Numidian. 1920 points
Up to two terrain feautres (not including water) may be replaced with Brush. Roll per Mongol rules for replacing terrain.
When determining Eagerness for charging per the Barbarian Infantry rules (see below), Numidian/Moorish infantry does count friendly bodies that include LC if it meets the rest of the requirements.


Imperial Warrior:

10 -- Marian Roman. 1760 points
Must use the Roman Theme Marian list.
All elephants must be used (exception to the list).

Holy Warrior:

8 -- Ghaznavid. 1500 points

Oriental Warrior:

5 -- Early Vietnamese. 1760 points
Spearmen, Axemen and Tribal Warriors count as Barbarian Infantry for eagerness (see below).

7 -- Early Indian. 1680 points

18 -- Burmese. 1680 points
Levy Spearmen count as Barbarian Infantry for eagerness (see below).

20 -- Champa. 1680 points
Spearmen and Vietnamese Regional Javelinmen count as Barbarian Infantry for eagerness (see below).

26 -- Khmer. 1600 points
Levy Javelinmen and Burmese Javelinmen count as Barbarian Infantry for eagerness (see below).

31 -- Medieval Vietnamese. 1680 points
Regional Javelinmen count as Barbarian Infantry for eagerness (see below).

36 -- Delhi/Lodi Sultanate. 1600 points
Afghan Infantry, Hindu foot and Rajput Javelinmen count as Barbarian Infantry for eagerness (see below).

41 -- Vijayanagara Indian. 1600 points
Hindu foot and Nayak/Provincial foot count as Barbarian Infantry for eagerness (see below).

Theme Rules:

-Armies must field at least 8 elephants.

-If Elephant Escorts are available in an army list, you may purchase 1 element per elephant element regardless of the number actually shown in the list. This does not mean you can have Elephant Escorts if there are none in the list.

-Units in armies that do not get the Barbarian Infantry Rules get the following: An Irregular body of Barbarian Infantry (identified specifically in each list above) with more than 8 elements is eager while any friendly body that does not include LC and/or LI within 240 paces is declaring a charge, charging in the current bound or already in H-H-H combat and not broken or shaken.

-Classic Warrior lists amy use the One-Element Elephant Units X-Rule.

-JLS armed cav fight 1.5 ranks in HTH combat versus any foot when charging, counter charging and pursuing.

-Barbarian Foot Rules in effect with the following addition:
Under 2(a), add "following up" as a new condition for counting 3rd/4th ranks in HTH.

[lilroblis]

Need to look at numidians - 1960 points is pretty attractive

[scott holder]

1920 points.

I'm playing Numidians. It will use actual Numidian figures as well.

1920pts barely makes the army viable and the jury's still out on that. I ran Galatians at 1920pts, actually a good size to make the army viable.

There's too many other lists that are still far more effective. Sheesh, play something you're comfortable with and let us schlubs power game Tier D armies even with a crapton more points.

scott

[lilroblis]

So I will look at pooints and armies and see if there are lists that catch my fancy - I may just run Burmese - as an incentive to paint them, or Khmer for the same reason.

[Mark Stone]

If you're looking for someone to referee the Theme for 2020, I'm happy to volunteer.

[scott holder]

Todd typically does but then if we have an odd number, he plays. This could be a situation where both of you can do it and tag team on playing in any given round.

Thanks. It provides flexibility.

scott

[Frank Gilson]

Would love to hear folks thoughts about this theme...what army you like, dislike, and so forth.

I personally think there's a dynamic where close order foot are problematic here given they don't catch anything and are vulnerable to elephants, particularly pike armed.

[lilroblis]

So painting Burmese elephants - but there are a lot of intriguing lists - I have always liked Bactrians - but never made them work, maybe this is the year. Indians - have the elephants and chariots - and the bow - so many choices only one tournament

[Todd Kaeser]

I don't know what sort of lead I have that would work.

Could my Africans work for Numidian-ish? I have 4 elephants and could paint up 4 more for the theme and see what else I could get to make it work.

Todd

[lilroblis]

Todd - I have 23 painted elephants - cannot see my using more than 18 - we can figure this out

[Frank Gilson]

[scott holder]

[Frank Gilson]

Interesting metagaming possible here...do you run an anti-Elephant Elephant army?

Or do you run an anti-anti-Elephant Elephant army?

Or do you just run an army you like with troops you enjoy playing with?

[Todd Kaeser]

[lilroblis]

Lots of option sin every case - Iwould think there are multiple option sthat can do both - and that Kmer will win the theme