Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Greg Regets]

Some of us down here in the land of shotguns and cold beer, were
wondering what happened to the shields for the Galloglaich troops on
list #16. Anglo-Irish? They seem to have vanished, along with the
unit's historical effectiveness.

I'm actually asking this for another person, by buddy Big Dave. Trust
me, I wouldn't play a bunch of leprechaun looking, Guiness drinking,
shamrock wearing, Notre Dame cheering, Irish ... if it were the last
army on earth. ;-)

greg

[Harlan Garrett]

Gee Greg, tell us how you really feel.

HG

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Regets [mailto:gar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:30 AM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] #16. Anglo-Irish


Some of us down here in the land of shotguns and cold beer, were
wondering what happened to the shields for the Galloglaich troops on
list #16. Anglo-Irish? They seem to have vanished, along with the
unit's historical effectiveness.

I'm actually asking this for another person, by buddy Big Dave. Trust
me, I wouldn't play a bunch of leprechaun looking, Guiness drinking,
shamrock wearing, Notre Dame cheering, Irish ... if it were the last
army on earth. ;-)

greg


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[Greg Regets]

Actually played one of the best games in years last night against
Dave and these Irish guys. It's a reasonably stout army, and a
perfect example of picking an army that suits the player to a tee.

g


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Harlan D. Garrett"
<Harlan.D.Garrett@W...> wrote:
> Gee Greg, tell us how you really feel.
>
> HG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets [mailto:gar@t...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:30 AM
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WarriorRules] #16. Anglo-Irish
>
>
> Some of us down here in the land of shotguns and cold beer, were
> wondering what happened to the shields for the Galloglaich troops
on
> list #16. Anglo-Irish? They seem to have vanished, along with the
> unit's historical effectiveness.
>
> I'm actually asking this for another person, by buddy Big Dave.
Trust
> me, I wouldn't play a bunch of leprechaun looking, Guiness
drinking,
> shamrock wearing, Notre Dame cheering, Irish ... if it were the
last
> army on earth.
>
> greg
>
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[Phil Gardocki]

When I originally built my Anglo-Irish, I thought the LB would do all the
killing, and the Galloglaich would "hold the gaps" Boy was I wrong. Once they
are in charge reach, the Galloglaich really kick butt. I had one man at a Cold
Wars Surrender upon contact.

Of course, some games are frustrating, as opponents will do anything to avoid
contact.

Phil


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[Kelly Wilkinson]

One of Jake Kovel's all-time favorite lists--The Medieval Irish! I agree with
Greg though, and will put forth something that Wellington said of his
Inninskillings (I hope I didn't butcher the spelling too much!), "If it wasn't
for whiskey and the fact that they like killing each other so much, the Irish
would have conquered the world by now!"

Kelly :)

Greg Regets <gar@...> wrote:
Actually played one of the best games in years last night against
Dave and these Irish guys. It's a reasonably stout army, and a
perfect example of picking an army that suits the player to a tee.

g


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Harlan D. Garrett"
<Harlan.D.Garrett@W...> wrote:
> Gee Greg, tell us how you really feel.
>
> HG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets [mailto:gar@t...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:30 AM
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WarriorRules] #16. Anglo-Irish
>
>
> Some of us down here in the land of shotguns and cold beer, were
> wondering what happened to the shields for the Galloglaich troops
on
> list #16. Anglo-Irish? They seem to have vanished, along with the
> unit's historical effectiveness.
>
> I'm actually asking this for another person, by buddy Big Dave.
Trust
> me, I wouldn't play a bunch of leprechaun looking, Guiness
drinking,
> shamrock wearing, Notre Dame cheering, Irish ... if it were the
last
> army on earth.
>
> greg
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Scott or Jon,
The Texas Irish would very much like to know what happened to the shields of
the famed Galloglaigh warriors, what about their historical effectiveness?
I think Wellington was right, it was the whiskey that stop the Lads, so
please may we have our shields back?
Big Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kelly wilkinson" <jwilkinson62@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: #16. Anglo-Irish


> One of Jake Kovel's all-time favorite lists--The Medieval Irish! I agree
with Greg though, and will put forth something that Wellington said of his
Inninskillings (I hope I didn't butcher the spelling too much!), "If it
wasn't for whiskey and the fact that they like killing each other so much,
the Irish would have conquered the world by now!"
>
> Kelly
>
> Greg Regets <gar@...> wrote:
> Actually played one of the best games in years last night against
> Dave and these Irish guys. It's a reasonably stout army, and a
> perfect example of picking an army that suits the player to a tee.
>
> g
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Harlan D. Garrett"
> <Harlan.D.Garrett@W...> wrote:
> > Gee Greg, tell us how you really feel.
> >
> > HG
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Regets [mailto:gar@t...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:30 AM
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] #16. Anglo-Irish
> >
> >
> > Some of us down here in the land of shotguns and cold beer, were
> > wondering what happened to the shields for the Galloglaich troops
> on
> > list #16. Anglo-Irish? They seem to have vanished, along with the
> > unit's historical effectiveness.
> >
> > I'm actually asking this for another person, by buddy Big Dave.
> Trust
> > me, I wouldn't play a bunch of leprechaun looking, Guiness
> drinking,
> > shamrock wearing, Notre Dame cheering, Irish ... if it were the
> last
> > army on earth.
> >
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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 11/12/2003 1:36:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dbeeson@... writes:

> Scott or Jon,
> The Texas Irish would very much like to know what happened to the shields of
> the famed Galloglaigh warriors, what about their historical
> effectiveness?>>

I have to defer to Scott.
Jon

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 11/12/2003 17:43:38 Central Standard Time,
dbeeson@... writes:
Thanks Scott,
Ok, I get it, the list comes out, I buy lead and start to convert figs.,
then the research shows no shields. I 'm glad a friend told me about the
change on the web site before I finished that 48th figure. I sure am glad I
didn't go to a tourney with them. It's cool! I had fun doing it.
David
David, you are right to be upset. I can't tell you anything to ease your
pain over this situation, but I can tell you that I will get more personally
involved in ensuring this does not happen again. Our internal procedures failed
to protect you as the player and that is fixed as of today, I can assure you.

I am dreadfully sorry. I would take it as a personal favor if you would not
hold this too strongly against us.

Jon


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[scott holder]

We took them out because there is no, repeat NO written or picture evidence to
indicate they had them. We spent an incredibly long amount of time agonizing
over one troop type in Feudal Warrior, that's right, galloglaich, in terms of
"what to do with them".

They had no shields, period. I don't have FeudWar in front of me to comment on
how they fit into the rest of the list's context because we looked at them from
that angle after we dropped the shields.

-----Original Message-----
From: JonCleaves@... [mailto:JonCleaves@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:44 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: #16. Anglo-Irish


In a message dated 11/12/2003 1:36:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dbeeson@... writes:

> Scott or Jon,
> The Texas Irish would very much like to know what happened to the shields of
> the famed Galloglaigh warriors, what about their historical
> effectiveness?>>

I have to defer to Scott.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 11/12/2003 18:33:59 Central Standard Time,
dbeeson@... writes:
Thanks Jon,
No really, Jon it's no big deal:)
I'm a Lead junky! I have a problem I know but...
I can be abused and would not dream of holding my addiction against anyone
least of all against The Four Horsemen.
I'm just poking a little fun:)
David
Thanks for the reassurance, Dave, that's very kind of you. We have made a
promise that we would not make any list worse once published - player's put too
much time and money into armies to keep having the rug pulled out from under
them this way. I guess what our system has been doing has been to make sure we
don't make any rules changes that do this to someone's army, but we had no
controls in place to ensure list errata didn't cause the same problem. We are
working on that now.

Thanks for your patience with us.
Jon


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In a message dated 11/12/03 3:18:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Scott.Holder@... writes:

<< Subj: RE: [WarriorRules] Re: #16. Anglo-Irish
Date: 11/12/03 3:18:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: Scott.Holder@... (Holder, Scott)
Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com">
WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com</A>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com

We took them out because there is no, repeat NO written or picture evidence
to indicate they had them. We spent an incredibly long amount of time
agonizing over one troop type in Feudal Warrior, that's right, galloglaich, in
terms
of "what to do with them".

They had no shields, period. I don't have FeudWar in front of me to comment
on how they fit into the rest of the list's context because we looked at them
from that angle after we dropped the shields.
>>


To see some later period engravings of galloglaich, see Gush's "Renaissance
Armies". Not a shield in sight.

John the OFM

[Harlan Garrett]

Dave,

I think the moogs swam across the channel and stole our shields.

Harlan

-----Original Message-----
From: DBeeson [mailto:dbeeson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:36 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: #16. Anglo-Irish


Scott or Jon,
The Texas Irish would very much like to know what happened to the shields of
the famed Galloglaigh warriors, what about their historical effectiveness? I
think Wellington was right, it was the whiskey that stop the Lads, so please
may we have our shields back? Big Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kelly wilkinson" <jwilkinson62@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: #16. Anglo-Irish


> One of Jake Kovel's all-time favorite lists--The Medieval Irish! I
> agree
with Greg though, and will put forth something that Wellington said of his
Inninskillings (I hope I didn't butcher the spelling too much!), "If it
wasn't for whiskey and the fact that they like killing each other so much,
the Irish would have conquered the world by now!"
>
> Kelly
>
> Greg Regets <gar@...> wrote:
> Actually played one of the best games in years last night against Dave
> and these Irish guys. It's a reasonably stout army, and a perfect
> example of picking an army that suits the player to a tee.
>
> g
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Harlan D. Garrett"
> <Harlan.D.Garrett@W...> wrote:
> > Gee Greg, tell us how you really feel.
> >
> > HG
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Regets [mailto:gar@t...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:30 AM
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] #16. Anglo-Irish
> >
> >
> > Some of us down here in the land of shotguns and cold beer, were
> > wondering what happened to the shields for the Galloglaich troops
> on
> > list #16. Anglo-Irish? They seem to have vanished, along with the
> > unit's historical effectiveness.
> >
> > I'm actually asking this for another person, by buddy Big Dave.
> Trust
> > me, I wouldn't play a bunch of leprechaun looking, Guiness
> drinking,
> > shamrock wearing, Notre Dame cheering, Irish ... if it were the
> last
> > army on earth.
> >
> > greg
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[scott holder]

I was wondering when someone would come up with that comment. There is
evidence, not much, but some written accounts that indicate moogs had shields.
I can't quote you chapter and verse right now but when we did the research for
the lists, it came up.

-----Original Message-----
From: Harlan D. Garrett [mailto:Harlan.D.Garrett@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:51 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] Re: #16. Anglo-Irish


Dave,

I think the moogs swam across the channel and stole our shields.

Harlan

-----Original Message-----
From: DBeeson [mailto:dbeeson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:36 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: #16. Anglo-Irish


Scott or Jon,
The Texas Irish would very much like to know what happened to the shields of
the famed Galloglaigh warriors, what about their historical effectiveness? I
think Wellington was right, it was the whiskey that stop the Lads, so please
may we have our shields back? Big Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kelly wilkinson" <jwilkinson62@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: #16. Anglo-Irish


> One of Jake Kovel's all-time favorite lists--The Medieval Irish! I
> agree
with Greg though, and will put forth something that Wellington said of his
Inninskillings (I hope I didn't butcher the spelling too much!), "If it
wasn't for whiskey and the fact that they like killing each other so much,
the Irish would have conquered the world by now!"
>
> Kelly
>
> Greg Regets <gar@...> wrote:
> Actually played one of the best games in years last night against Dave
> and these Irish guys. It's a reasonably stout army, and a perfect
> example of picking an army that suits the player to a tee.
>
> g
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Harlan D. Garrett"
> <Harlan.D.Garrett@W...> wrote:
> > Gee Greg, tell us how you really feel.
> >
> > HG
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Regets [mailto:gar@t...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:30 AM
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] #16. Anglo-Irish
> >
> >
> > Some of us down here in the land of shotguns and cold beer, were
> > wondering what happened to the shields for the Galloglaich troops
> on
> > list #16. Anglo-Irish? They seem to have vanished, along with the
> > unit's historical effectiveness.
> >
> > I'm actually asking this for another person, by buddy Big Dave.
> Trust
> > me, I wouldn't play a bunch of leprechaun looking, Guiness
> drinking,
> > shamrock wearing, Notre Dame cheering, Irish ... if it were the
> last
> > army on earth.
> >
> > greg
> >
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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 11/12/2003 2:51:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Harlan.D.Garrett@... writes:

> Dave,
>
> I think the moogs swam across the channel and stole our
> shields.
>
> Harlan>>

Thanks, Harlan. I won the pool on how long it would take before one of you made
an Almughavar joke out of this question.... :)

[Harlan Garrett]

Ok, what do I get? A free copy of the New World Warrior. ;-)

Harlan

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:03 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: #16. Anglo-Irish


In a message dated 11/12/2003 2:51:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Harlan.D.Garrett@... writes:

> Dave,
>
> I think the moogs swam across the channel and stole our
> shields.
>
> Harlan>>

Thanks, Harlan. I won the pool on how long it would take before one of you
made an Almughavar joke out of this question.... :)

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