Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Garlic]

Hello,

Just like some feedback on idea concerning employment of 4H LCh.

I am looking at building units of 3E 4H LCh. I plan to employ them in tandems.
Basically, the idea is to use them
in skirmish until can disorder target to charge home. I think using them with
staggered ranges. Reasoning is that since they are 'missile' troops, I will
probably need to disorder something to get unprompted charge in. To my
reasoning, they can hold own against light troops, and skirmish to wear down
others until opportune time to charge.

At the army level, my intent is to FM LI at center line to slow or fix enemy,
and have two of the chariot tandems which I can then march to commit.

Sorry for peridoically bringing up chariots. They just fascinate the heck outta
me!

John Garlic

BTW, What's up with those Minoan LCh with LTS?!

[Tim Grimmett]

John--

I often play with LCh.

I would suggest you expand your tactical options. A 2E LCh deployed in column
is excellent for charging non-missile equipped LMI (peltasts are a favorite
target)--forces waver. If taken large enough, 4E+, they can even charge
shooting LMI and on even die rolls, not break if the target passes its waver.

They force shooting LMI to face a dilemma regarding the decision to skirmish.

No need to be impetuous.



jmgarlic@... wrote:
Hello,

Just like some feedback on idea concerning employment of 4H LCh.

I am looking at building units of 3E 4H LCh. I plan to employ them in tandems.
Basically, the idea is to use them
in skirmish until can disorder target to charge home. I think using them with
staggered ranges. Reasoning is that since they are 'missile' troops, I will
probably need to disorder something to get unprompted charge in. To my
reasoning, they can hold own against light troops, and skirmish to wear down
others until opportune time to charge.

At the army level, my intent is to FM LI at center line to slow or fix enemy,
and have two of the chariot tandems which I can then march to commit.

Sorry for peridoically bringing up chariots. They just fascinate the heck outta
me!

John Garlic

BTW, What's up with those Minoan LCh with LTS?!

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[Ewan McNay]

jmgarlic@... wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Just like some feedback on idea concerning employment of 4H LCh.
>
> I am looking at building units of 3E 4H LCh. I plan to employ them
> in tandems. Basically, the idea is to use them in skirmish until
> can disorder target to charge home. I think using them with
> staggered ranges. Reasoning is that since they are 'missile'
> troops, I will probably need to disorder something to get
> unprompted charge in. To my reasoning, they can hold own against
> light troops, and skirmish to wear down others until opportune time
> to charge.

Unprompted charges, true, but no reason not to prompt: they can charge
loose foot, cause the waver, and then break off if needed. This is
(imo) the best use of 4hLCh.

You might wish to wait for Oriental Warrior, which has many such
chariots...

[John Murphy]

Hey Tim & John et al,

I keep seeing, for decades now, those Kushite Egyptian / Meroe
Kushite 4h LCh which can be Irr A and think they would look real
neat on the table, but have no concept of what chariots play like.
Also, being Irr A, they hardly seem skirmish-able and the comment
about not needing to be impetuous might mean they really stink up
the joint. Waddya think?

The idea of an all Irr A army kind of interests me - there is
probably a minimum of decisions to be made and the games shouldn't
take very long. Like the Model 1860 Colt Army Revolver - the great
equalizer.

Nobody answered John about the Mycenean (sp?) chariots. I think they
not only have some charioteer armor extant (the Dendra panalopy)
from that era, which is rather remarkable considering the age, but
they also have some artwork showing use of long thrusting spears in
chariot charges. Be warned all that could be total rubbish - just
going of my memory instead of looking up the book. It is also kind
of a miniatures tradition, like the fanatic Kushite Egyptians.

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wrote:
> John--
>
> I often play with LCh.
>
> I would suggest you expand your tactical options. A 2E LCh
deployed in column is excellent for charging non-missile equipped
LMI (peltasts are a favorite target)--forces waver. If taken large
enough, 4E+, they can even charge shooting LMI and on even die
rolls, not break if the target passes its waver.
>
> They force shooting LMI to face a dilemma regarding the decision
to skirmish.
>
> No need to be impetuous.
>
>
>
> jmgarlic@a... wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Just like some feedback on idea concerning employment of 4H LCh.
>
> I am looking at building units of 3E 4H LCh. I plan to employ
them in tandems. Basically, the idea is to use them
> in skirmish until can disorder target to charge home. I think
using them with staggered ranges. Reasoning is that since they
are 'missile' troops, I will probably need to disorder something to
get unprompted charge in. To my reasoning, they can hold own
against light troops, and skirmish to wear down others until
opportune time to charge.
>
> At the army level, my intent is to FM LI at center line to slow or
fix enemy, and have two of the chariot tandems which I can then
march to commit.
>
> Sorry for peridoically bringing up chariots. They just fascinate
the heck outta me!
>
> John Garlic
>
> BTW, What's up with those Minoan LCh with LTS?!
>
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[joncleaves]

You might wish to wait for Oriental Warrior, which has many such
chariots...>

hey, hey! We let you in the skunk works but you didn't sign a non-disclosure
agreement?? Scott, get on this...lol

[John Garlic]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for advice on 2E LCh. I've used those sizes with Chinese, to include 2E
HCh with 2E detachment of LCh. It's probably a finesse issue on my part, but
never seem to have enough 'umpf' with the 2E size. I have considered some of
the chariot runner/infantry detachments but once again proper employment is the
question. I am considering the 2E 4H LCh with a 2E LMI detachment which just
remains attached. Just not sure the detachments that worthwhile. I tried with
LI detachments (hello Kelly) but just haven't figured them out yet either. I
had thought interms of 3E since adds more for CPF and skirmishing firepower.

John

>John--
>
>I often play with LCh.
>
>I would suggest you expand your tactical options.  A 2E LCh deployed in column
is excellent for charging non-missile equipped LMI (peltasts are a favorite
target)--forces waver.  If taken large enough, 4E+, they can even charge
shooting LMI and on even die rolls, not break if the target passes its waver.
>
>They force shooting LMI to face a dilemma regarding the decision to skirmish.
>
>No need to be impetuous.
>
>
>
>jmgarlic@... wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Just like some feedback on idea concerning employment of 4H LCh.
>
>I am looking at building units of 3E 4H LCh.  I plan to employ them in tandems.
 Basically, the idea is to use them
>in skirmish until can disorder target to charge home.  I think using them with
staggered ranges.  Reasoning is that since they are 'missile' troops, I will
probably need to disorder something to get unprompted charge in.  To my
reasoning, they can hold own against light troops, and skirmish to wear down
others until opportune time to charge.
>
>At the army level, my intent is to FM LI at center line to slow or fix enemy,
and have two of the chariot tandems which I can then march to commit.
>
>Sorry for peridoically bringing up chariots.  They just fascinate the heck
outta me!
>
>John Garlic
>
>BTW, What's up with those Minoan LCh with LTS?!
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[John Garlic]

Hi Ewan,

I am a big OW fan, and am waiting with bated breath. Just looking to expand
into some other areas of interest.

John
"Can you have too many chariots?"

In a message dated 8/27/2004 9:22:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ewan McNay
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[Tim Grimmett]

Agree a 2E LCh has no umph.

Their role is simply to cause the waver test. If the target passes, the LCh will
be breaking off.

If he fails, a nearby friend provides the punch.

IrrA LCh would not be my favorite troop type, but certain orders can keep them
in check, but they might lose evade options.



jmgarlic@... wrote:
Hi Tim,

Thanks for advice on 2E LCh. I've used those sizes with Chinese, to include 2E
HCh with 2E detachment of LCh. It's probably a finesse issue on my part, but
never seem to have enough 'umpf' with the 2E size. I have considered some of
the chariot runner/infantry detachments but once again proper employment is the
question. I am considering the 2E 4H LCh with a 2E LMI detachment which just
remains attached. Just not sure the detachments that worthwhile. I tried with
LI detachments (hello Kelly) but just haven't figured them out yet either. I
had thought interms of 3E since adds more for CPF and skirmishing firepower.

John

>John--
>
>I often play with LCh.
>
>I would suggest you expand your tactical options. A 2E LCh deployed in column
is excellent for charging non-missile equipped LMI (peltasts are a favorite
target)--forces waver. If taken large enough, 4E+, they can even charge
shooting LMI and on even die rolls, not break if the target passes its waver.
>
>They force shooting LMI to face a dilemma regarding the decision to skirmish.
>
>No need to be impetuous.
>
>
>
>jmgarlic@... wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Just like some feedback on idea concerning employment of 4H LCh.
>
>I am looking at building units of 3E 4H LCh. I plan to employ them in tandems.
Basically, the idea is to use them
>in skirmish until can disorder target to charge home. I think using them with
staggered ranges. Reasoning is that since they are 'missile' troops, I will
probably need to disorder something to get unprompted charge in. To my
reasoning, they can hold own against light troops, and skirmish to wear down
others until opportune time to charge.
>
>At the army level, my intent is to FM LI at center line to slow or fix enemy,
and have two of the chariot tandems which I can then march to commit.
>
>Sorry for peridoically bringing up chariots. They just fascinate the heck
outta me!
>
>John Garlic
>
>BTW, What's up with those Minoan LCh with LTS?!
>
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[Larry Essick]

> Agree a 2E LCh has no umph.

Not my experience in TOG when I played E. Carthaginian. Found them to be most
useful. Don't underestimate their ability to break-through & thereby create
disorder even if the enemy unit does not fail a waiver or wins total H-T-H
casualties.

I haven't spent time with this portion of the Warrior rules, but it use to come
in very handy -- particularly because many armies don't have much of a reserve
to them.

> Their role is simply to cause the waver test. If the target passes, the LCh
will be breaking off.
>
> If he fails, a nearby friend provides the punch.

Well, that is certainly one role. And Tim is correct, sometimes a 2d unit is
needed to finish the job -- but that can be said about any number of troops.

> IrrA LCh would not be my favorite troop type, but certain orders can keep them
in check, but they might lose evade options.
>

Actually, if not forced to charge impetuously I see them as, possibly, very
useful. It was enough to perk my interest -- although I haven't had time to go
look at lists yet.

Still, Reg instead of Irr is vastly superior, IMO.

Larry