Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for lawyers
in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than 7th?

Looking forward to a favourable reply

Kind regards

Keith Charnley

This is the forum for rules questions - this is where the whole
world's rules questions come.

In particular, when questions come from Australia we may have just
held a three day tournament with 20 players and all the questions
are collated by the umpire and asked at once - even then there are
not too many.

I am playing a game or two a week plus about 5 tournaments annually
at the moment and I find Warrior to be very fast playing once
mastered and rules queries more and more unusual all the time.

I started playing 7th in 1990 when I was 13-14 and in that time
Warrior has been the thing that has improved playability most -
having someone to answer questions quickly, and prepare a better
format rules in the first place.

Adrian Williams

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
<keithcharnley@y...> wrote:
> Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
> for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
> Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
> Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
> and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
> continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
> for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
> are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
lawyers
> in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
> have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
7th?
>
> Looking forward to a favourable reply
>
> Kind regards
>
> Keith Charnley

Dear Keith,
Here's a few reasons why it is better to buy Warrior.

1) Across the board, Warrior is an improved version of 7th Ed. I
think 7th was a work in progress that was never completed (folks, shout
me down if you like) and that Warrior is gradually "filling in the
blanks." It is easier to play, there are fewer loopholes, and I find it
a satisfactory to excellent (depending on time period) simulation of
ancient warfare AND the best intellectual challenge in the gaming
world, bar none.

2) People all over the world play Warrior in a standardized
format. This matters. If you visit a club in the UK, US, Canda, etc,
you can be assured of a good game in the same rules you play at home.
[I visit the UK every year for salmon fishing--who knows, I might go to
Man for a game.]

3) Most clubs have house rules for 7th/Warrior CAMPAIGNS and I'd
never decry them. But it's good to play a set of standardized rules.
Among other things, this list is the most responsive tool for
player/writer interaction that I know of--if you play warrior and
something doesn't seem right, you'll actually get an answer.

I hope this unpaid advertising wasn't too sacherine. But I'm an
enthusiast. I played 6th and 7th. I left 7th to play DBM, and it
finally bored me too much to play anymore. Warrior has plugged the ugly
holes and is easier to play and teach to beginners.

More than my usual 2 cents.

C. Cameron

[Mike Turner]

I think you see a lot of questions for several reasons:

1. This is the 21st century, where people from Australia, Europe,
etc. can come on this forum and with a few key strokes ask the
author directly a question.
2. The 4 Horsemen, compared to the vast majority of game groups try
very hard to quickly answer questions
3. Warrior (and its ancestors) is not a simple game, it is not
meant to be. Chariots of different types receive their own stats as
do knights of three different categories, as compared to other
systems.....
4. See number 1 above, several countries equals differences in
language and interpretation (example - too bitty)
5. Warrior has sparked new players, and as new players enter the
group often they ask questions, instead of just telling them to
search the past entries, people simply answer repeated questions.

Mike

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
<keithcharnley@y...> wrote:
> Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
> for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
> Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
> Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
> and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
> continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
> for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
> are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
lawyers
> in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
> have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
7th?
>
> Looking forward to a favourable reply
>
> Kind regards
>
> Keith Charnley

[Matt Kollmer]

--Hi, I thought maybe a simple responce best here,I've played all
sorts of games(historical and fantasy, sci fi ect)since I can
remember remembering! None offer the type of game you have here.
The above responces are all very true and I agree 100% with all of
them. I think the number of questions posted to this site are
remarkably few givin that the world has access too it and they come
from every corner of it,for a reletively dificult game! In short, I
think that Warrior is an easier book to read and reference and for
the first time supported impressively. For the most part, questions
in tourney play are usually judgement calls you need a 3rd party for.
My biggest reason for you is less technical and more personal. Of
all the games I've played, this is the one I come back too and enjoy
the most. I'd give it a shot! It's cheaper than gas!
Matt



- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
<keithcharnley@y...> wrote:
> Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
> for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
> Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
> Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
> and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
> continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
> for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
> are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
lawyers
> in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
> have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
7th?
>
> Looking forward to a favourable reply
>
> Kind regards
>
> Keith Charnley

Thanks I think I will - will be definitely cheaper than gas over here!

dragonsmogg <mkollmer@...> wrote: --Hi, I thought maybe a simple
responce best here,I've played all
sorts of games(historical and fantasy, sci fi ect)since I can
remember remembering! None offer the type of game you have here.
The above responces are all very true and I agree 100% with all of
them. I think the number of questions posted to this site are
remarkably few givin that the world has access too it and they come
from every corner of it,for a reletively dificult game! In short, I
think that Warrior is an easier book to read and reference and for
the first time supported impressively. For the most part, questions
in tourney play are usually judgement calls you need a 3rd party for.
My biggest reason for you is less technical and more personal. Of
all the games I've played, this is the one I come back too and enjoy
the most. I'd give it a shot! It's cheaper than gas!
Matt



- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
<keithcharnley@y...> wrote:
> Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
> for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
> Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
> Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
> and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
> continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
> for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
> are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
lawyers
> in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
> have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
7th?
>
> Looking forward to a favourable reply
>
> Kind regards
>
> Keith Charnley




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Thanks for the update

I have to admit our initial thoughts are deviating away from the WRG path but
will get a set to give us a suitable comparison - haven't found anything else
suitable yet! We an then decide which way we are heading - importantly we have a
number on non-Ancient and non-intellectual players who need to grasp the rules
fairly quickly

Hope you get your 2 cents

Kind Regards

Keith
Christian and Sarah <cgc.sjw@...> wrote:
Dear Keith,
Here's a few reasons why it is better to buy Warrior.

1) Across the board, Warrior is an improved version of 7th Ed. I
think 7th was a work in progress that was never completed (folks, shout
me down if you like) and that Warrior is gradually "filling in the
blanks." It is easier to play, there are fewer loopholes, and I find it
a satisfactory to excellent (depending on time period) simulation of
ancient warfare AND the best intellectual challenge in the gaming
world, bar none.

2) People all over the world play Warrior in a standardized
format. This matters. If you visit a club in the UK, US, Canda, etc,
you can be assured of a good game in the same rules you play at home.
[I visit the UK every year for salmon fishing--who knows, I might go to
Man for a game.]

3) Most clubs have house rules for 7th/Warrior CAMPAIGNS and I'd
never decry them. But it's good to play a set of standardized rules.
Among other things, this list is the most responsive tool for
player/writer interaction that I know of--if you play warrior and
something doesn't seem right, you'll actually get an answer.

I hope this unpaid advertising wasn't too sacherine. But I'm an
enthusiast. I played 6th and 7th. I left 7th to play DBM, and it
finally bored me too much to play anymore. Warrior has plugged the ugly
holes and is easier to play and teach to beginners.

More than my usual 2 cents.

C. Cameron




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Many thanks

Decided to assess the rules and compare to some ideas we have - will see what
pans out

Cheers

Keith

p.s. I have a mate in Perth who used to wargame ancients quite keenly - are
there any groups there that you know of?

Adrian Williams <fredthebaddy@...> wrote:
This is the forum for rules questions - this is where the whole
world's rules questions come.

In particular, when questions come from Australia we may have just
held a three day tournament with 20 players and all the questions
are collated by the umpire and asked at once - even then there are
not too many.

I am playing a game or two a week plus about 5 tournaments annually
at the moment and I find Warrior to be very fast playing once
mastered and rules queries more and more unusual all the time.

I started playing 7th in 1990 when I was 13-14 and in that time
Warrior has been the thing that has improved playability most -
having someone to answer questions quickly, and prepare a better
format rules in the first place.

Adrian Williams

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
<keithcharnley@y...> wrote:
> Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
> for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
> Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
> Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
> and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
> continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
> for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
> are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
lawyers
> in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
> have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
7th?
>
> Looking forward to a favourable reply
>
> Kind regards
>
> Keith Charnley




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[joncleaves]

Welcome, Keith. I specifically did not respond to your question, because, as
the designer, I didn't want you to be turned off by what could rightly have been
perceived as the 'company hack' response. Happily, and somewhat anticipated,
our players said it all.

However, I am here for any further questions you may have.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: KEITH CHARNLEY <keithcharnley@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:31:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?


Many thanks

Decided to assess the rules and compare to some ideas we have - will see what
pans out

Cheers

Keith

p.s. I have a mate in Perth who used to wargame ancients quite keenly - are
there any groups there that you know of?

Adrian Williams <fredthebaddy@...> wrote:
This is the forum for rules questions - this is where the whole
world's rules questions come.

In particular, when questions come from Australia we may have just
held a three day tournament with 20 players and all the questions
are collated by the umpire and asked at once - even then there are
not too many.

I am playing a game or two a week plus about 5 tournaments annually
at the moment and I find Warrior to be very fast playing once
mastered and rules queries more and more unusual all the time.

I started playing 7th in 1990 when I was 13-14 and in that time
Warrior has been the thing that has improved playability most -
having someone to answer questions quickly, and prepare a better
format rules in the first place.

Adrian Williams

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
<keithcharnley@y...> wrote:
> Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
> for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
> Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
> Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
> and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
> continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
> for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
> are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
lawyers
> in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
> have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
7th?
>
> Looking forward to a favourable reply
>
> Kind regards
>
> Keith Charnley




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Not sure about the position in Perth. Last I heard they still played
6th over there - Western Australia is almost another country.

Warrior is played primarily in Sydney and Newcastle and to a lesser
extent in Canberra and Melbourne. Sorry if I have left out anyone I
don't know about!

Adrian Williams

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, KEITH CHARNLEY
<keithcharnley@y...> wrote:
> Many thanks
>
> Decided to assess the rules and compare to some ideas we have -
will see what pans out
>
> Cheers
>
> Keith
>
> p.s. I have a mate in Perth who used to wargame ancients quite
keenly - are there any groups there that you know of?
>
> Adrian Williams <fredthebaddy@h...> wrote:
> This is the forum for rules questions - this is where the whole
> world's rules questions come.
>
> In particular, when questions come from Australia we may have just
> held a three day tournament with 20 players and all the questions
> are collated by the umpire and asked at once - even then there are
> not too many.
>
> I am playing a game or two a week plus about 5 tournaments
annually
> at the moment and I find Warrior to be very fast playing once
> mastered and rules queries more and more unusual all the time.
>
> I started playing 7th in 1990 when I was 13-14 and in that time
> Warrior has been the thing that has improved playability most -
> having someone to answer questions quickly, and prepare a better
> format rules in the first place.
>
> Adrian Williams
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
> <keithcharnley@y...> wrote:
> > Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played
Ancients
> > for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played
7th
> > Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> > relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle
of
> > Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate
7th
> > and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> > tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> > still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> > individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why
we
> > continued originally for several years. Having observed this
site
> > for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> > queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> > ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> > there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead
we
> > are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
> lawyers
> > in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I
should
> > have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
> 7th?
> >
> > Looking forward to a favourable reply
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Keith Charnley
>
>
>
>
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