Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Chris Bump]

In a message dated 10/25/2001 6:49:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ahawk@... writes:

<< Judging events in isolation from the prevailing cultures,
mores, and economic/political pressures of the time leads to
a fallacious reaction to them. Such analysis also leads to
flawed Historical wargames, IMHO.
sincerely,
Arthur >>

Bravo! Here, Here Arthur

Chris

Dear "Quirk":
You wrote:
>
How dare they deny the infallibility of the Poop (oops
Pope)!
>
(If you ever wondered where the expression "Kill them all -
let God
sort them out" came from, it originated from this extremely
brutal
repression of a christian belief that differed only slightly
from the
Roman Catholic Church ... So who is an anti-christ?)
>>

Now pardon me, but this strikes me as been rather
aggressively hostile to a faith group. While your
anachronistic judgment of the Crusades is interesting, your
knowledge of them is clearly flawed. Your quote for
instance, is also accredited to several other incidents,
such as Richard 1's massacre of prisoners during his
adventures. Given that it is assigned with more or less
probability to separate incidents, I tend to be highly
suspicious about the origin of the phrase itself.
Further, it strikes me as interesting that no one ever
mentions the passionate opposition to the Albigensian
Crusade from within the Church community. Even the Moslem
targeted crusades were opposed by St. Francis of Assisi and
others in their later phases...
Judging events in isolation from the prevailing cultures,
mores, and economic/political pressures of the time leads to
a fallacious reaction to them. Such analysis also leads to
flawed Historical wargames, IMHO.
sincerely,
Arthur
--
IN HOC MODO MILLIS FRANGITVR .

I friend of mine has just started teaching me Warrior over the last 3 weeks
or so. I really enjoy the game a lot for a variety of reasons. I hope nobody
minds some newbie questions now and then, because a couple times a rule here
and there has struck me as weird. (keep in mind I don't even know all the
rules yet.)

Anyway, to get to my question, let me pose a couple scenarios. One unit of
Legionaires is going up against a fat unit of pikemen...48-60 figs. The
legos do 40-some and 30 some in consecutive bounds, no damage to the fat
pike unit. In the second scenario a unti of heavy cav is firing on a unit
in column and then charging. During the shooting phase, they are allowed
damage on the unit even though they didn't do enough damage to do 1 per on a
16 figure unit. This was explained to me that because this unit is in
column, only a couple rows of the column are counted when figuring the
damage. I think it was three.

What I don't understand is why the Lego's (which were disordered and tired I
think) can do over 75 damage in successive bounds to a 48-60 figure unit and
not get the same kind of handicap. They both are doing damage and dropping
some people in the opposing unit, but only the shooters get this handicap?
The pikemen had expanded out if that matters.

Thanks,

SH

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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/6/2004 10:54:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mufan16@... writes:

> I friend of mine has just started teaching me Warrior over the last 3 weeks
> or so. I really enjoy the game a lot for a variety of reasons. I hope nobody
> minds some newbie questions now and then, because a couple times a rule here
> and there has struck me as weird. (keep in mind I don't even know all the
> rules yet.)>>

Actually, SH, I'd rather be answering new player questions than any other kind -
so fire away! :)

>
> Anyway, to get to my question, let me pose a couple scenarios. One unit of
> Legionaires is going up against a fat unit of pikemen...48-60 figs. The
> legos do 40-some and 30 some in consecutive bounds, no damage to the fat
> pike unit. In the second scenario a unti of heavy cav is firing on a unit
> in column and then charging. During the shooting phase, they are allowed
> damage on the unit even though they didn't do enough damage to do 1 per on a
> 16 figure unit. This was explained to me that because this unit is in
> column, only a couple rows of the column are counted when figuring the
> damage. I think it was three.
>
> What I don't understand is why the Lego's (which were disordered and tired I
> think) can do over 75 damage in successive bounds to a 48-60 figure unit and
> not get the same kind of handicap. They both are doing damage and dropping
> some people in the opposing unit, but only the shooters get
> this handicap?
> The pikemen had expanded out if that matters.>>

The answer is hard to give without seeing the exact formations of the units, but
here's what I *think* you are asking:

When calculating casualties per figure, all of the figures in the first two
ranks count full and half of the figures beyond the first two ranks (rule 10.3).
There is no such thing as a 60-figure pike block as the max unit size is 12E
(rule 2.52, twelve element strength of pike = 48 figures). A 12 element unit of
pike would have to be 6 elements across and two deep (only two ranks) for every
figure to count for CPF. A six element wide unit is very easy to hit with two
of your own, so this is generally not the formation you will find them in (and
12E pike are rare as it is...). Another issue with pike is that, unlike every
other hand-to-hand weapon type, pike figures can fight, under certain
circumstances, from the third and forth rank (rule 9.22). Two-rank-deep pikemen
are not optimized for combat.

Let's say instead that the pike is 4E across and three ranks deep. The first
two ranks would count full (8 elements x 4 figs/element = 32 figures) and the
last rank would count half (4E x four figures/element x 1/2 = which is 40
figures for CPF purposes.

So, either he isn't counting for more than 40 figs for CPF or he is so wide that
you can gang up him with two units.

Jon