Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Ewan McNay]

That would actually be a great new type of list rule: that a unit of
Argyraspides bought can be taken as either option for any given battle,
even within a one-list tournament.

Scott?

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 hrisikos@... wrote:

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> I believe that this issue of Pike in the woods/rocky ground is handled
> already (or will be in Classical Warrior) by FHE's list design philosophy.
> Most Macedonian and Successor lists in the recent past have given the
> player a choice in arming Hypaspists, Agema, or Argyraspides (which just
> means Silver Shields, i.e., elite foot troops) as EITHER close order P, Sh
> OR Loose order LTS, Sh, or LTS, JLS, Sh or just JLS, Sh. Given Jon and
> Scott's comments here, I would expect this type of multiple option
> treatment to continue.
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> It perfectly well suits the historical sources. For my money, the
> historical record indicates that these troops fought in some (many)
> pitched battles as MI/HI P, Sh; But that ON OTHER DAYS, OR CAMPAIGNS, they
> were instructed to pack their kits differently (e.g., carry a shorter
> spear and less armour) and formed differently to account for the need to
> move fast or seize mountain passes or rough terrain.
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> This, I think would be one strong argument I had not thought of before for
> allowing two lists instead of one in tournament play. It is pretty clear
> to me that depending upon the battlefield or campaign situation or
> opponent, Alexander and his immediate successors used their hypaspists as
> either close order pike or loose order targeteers/LTS, BUT NOT IN THE SAME
> BATTLE ON THE SAME DAY, OR SWITCHING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER IN THE MIDDLE
> OF A FIGHT.
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> I think the rules and former (and hopefully Classical Warrior) lists
> already duplicate this aspect of historical generalship quite nicely.
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[Bill Chriss]

I believe that this issue of Pike in the woods/rocky ground is handled
already (or will be in Classical Warrior) by FHE's list design philosophy.
Most Macedonian and Successor lists in the recent past have given the
player a choice in arming Hypaspists, Agema, or Argyraspides (which just
means Silver Shields, i.e., elite foot troops) as EITHER close order P, Sh
OR Loose order LTS, Sh, or LTS, JLS, Sh or just JLS, Sh. Given Jon and
Scott's comments here, I would expect this type of multiple option
treatment to continue.

It perfectly well suits the historical sources. For my money, the
historical record indicates that these troops fought in some (many)
pitched battles as MI/HI P, Sh; But that ON OTHER DAYS, OR CAMPAIGNS, they
were instructed to pack their kits differently (e.g., carry a shorter
spear and less armour) and formed differently to account for the need to
move fast or seize mountain passes or rough terrain.

This, I think would be one strong argument I had not thought of before for
allowing two lists instead of one in tournament play. It is pretty clear
to me that depending upon the battlefield or campaign situation or
opponent, Alexander and his immediate successors used their hypaspists as
either close order pike or loose order targeteers/LTS, BUT NOT IN THE SAME
BATTLE ON THE SAME DAY, OR SWITCHING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER IN THE MIDDLE
OF A FIGHT.

I think the rules and former (and hopefully Classical Warrior) lists
already duplicate this aspect of historical generalship quite nicely.



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