Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

So I'm in the middle of building my first 15mm Warrior army (Later
Crusader) and now I'm looking to build a 25/28mm army for versatility
(being able to play either).

Armies I'm interested in (using a combination of good looking
figures, interest in the period and not an army I'm already building
in another scale/system)

Mongols

Song Chinese

Saracen/Seljuk Turk

Hundred Years War (English or Free Company)

Polybian Roman

Sassanid Persian

----------------

Mainly I am just looking for advice on what a decent fun army out of
those would be. I'd like it to not be horrible in battle but mainly I
am looking for something fun and interesting because it will most
likely be my one 28/25mm warrior army for a while so I don't want to
get to sick of it. Any advice on how these play or what difficulties
they face would be wonderful.

Thanks,

Brinton

A few questions so everyone can make better recommendations:

What part of the country are you in and are you willing to travel to
Jacksonville FL or Rochester NY for your 25 mm games?

What style of play do you prefer, superior cav, knights, irregular foot,
elephants, regular foot, or the new fashion in Jacksonville, ID foot?

Are you painting this army yourself, and if so do you want an army that is
easy or challenging to paint?

Are you on a tight budget (20 point knights are a good bang for the buck) or
are finances unlimited (a light chariot army?)?

Do you have a preference for figure manufacturer?


Jamie White

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brinton" <brwilliams@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: [WarriorRules] Begining player army recommendations


> So I'm in the middle of building my first 15mm Warrior army (Later
> Crusader) and now I'm looking to build a 25/28mm army for versatility
> (being able to play either).
>
> Armies I'm interested in (using a combination of good looking
> figures, interest in the period and not an army I'm already building
> in another scale/system)
>
> Mongols
>
> Song Chinese
>
> Saracen/Seljuk Turk
>
> Hundred Years War (English or Free Company)
>
> Polybian Roman
>
> Sassanid Persian
>
> ----------------
>
> Mainly I am just looking for advice on what a decent fun army out of
> those would be. I'd like it to not be horrible in battle but mainly I
> am looking for something fun and interesting because it will most
> likely be my one 28/25mm warrior army for a while so I don't want to
> get to sick of it. Any advice on how these play or what difficulties
> they face would be wonderful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brinton
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

They all look like fin choices - I particularly like Mongol and
Sassanid, though 100yw is a mighty army.

Mongols are super manouverable and have a lot of interisting
auxiliaries.

Sassanids are like a lolly shop to a little child - you just can't
fit all that you would like into the given points.

Both of the above look great - I think Gripping Beast make lovely
Sassanids, though I am not sure what the best Mongol figures are in
25mm.

I doubt whether you would ever get sick of Sassanids.

Adrian Williams

-- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Brinton" <brwilliams@a...>
wrote:
>
> So I'm in the middle of building my first 15mm Warrior army (Later
> Crusader) and now I'm looking to build a 25/28mm army for
versatility
> (being able to play either).
>
> Armies I'm interested in (using a combination of good looking
> figures, interest in the period and not an army I'm already
building
> in another scale/system)
>
> Mongols
>
> Song Chinese
>
> Saracen/Seljuk Turk
>
> Hundred Years War (English or Free Company)
>
> Polybian Roman
>
> Sassanid Persian
>
> ----------------
>
> Mainly I am just looking for advice on what a decent fun army out
of
> those would be. I'd like it to not be horrible in battle but
mainly I
> am looking for something fun and interesting because it will most
> likely be my one 28/25mm warrior army for a while so I don't want
to
> get to sick of it. Any advice on how these play or what
difficulties
> they face would be wonderful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brinton
>

[Derek Downs]

Here is the Old Babylonian list. Will have to get the others to email me
their lists.
Can't wait for the x rules to make this list better. :)

Derekcus
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Old - Babylonian 2000 BC

CnC w/B, JLS 4 Hch RA PA 120

SUB + 15 LMI JLS SH RB 125

32 MI JLS SH RD 4 RC 110
32 MI JLS SH RD 4 RC 110

8 LI JLS SH RD 2 RC 36
8 LI JLS SH RD 2 RC 36
8 LI JLS SH RD 2 RC 36
8 LI JLS SH RD 2 RC 36

16 LMI B RD 42
16 LMI B RD 42
16 LMI B RD 42
16 LMI B RD 42
16 LMI B RD 42
16 LMI B RD 42

16 LMI JLS SH RD 4 RC 62
16 LMI JLS SH RD 4 RC 62
16 LMI JLS SH RD 4 RC 62
16 LMI JLS SH RD 58

2 2-Lch 1/w JLS ,B RB 52
2 2-Lch 1/w JLS ,B RB 52

Ally + 1x 4-Hch 3/w B IB 119
2 4-Hch 3w/ B IB 89
2 4-Hch 3w/ B IB 89

36 LMI B IC 97


Units 23 + 1 command stand
1603
Scouting Points 27


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Here is the Old Babylonian list. Will have to get the others to email me
their lists.
Can't wait for the x rules to make this list better. :)

Derekcus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Old - Babylonian 2000 BC

CnC w/B, JLS 4 Hch RA PA 00000 00000 00000
00000 120

SUB + 15 LMI JLS SH RB 00000 00000 00000
00000 125

32 MI JLS SH RD 4 RC 00000
00000 00000 110
32 MI JLS SH RD 4 RC 00000
00000 00000 110

8 LI JLS SH RD 2 RC 00000 00000
00000 00000 36
8 LI JLS SH RD 2 RC 00000 00000
00000 00000 36
8 LI JLS SH RD 2 RC 00000 00000
00000 00000 36
8 LI JLS SH RD 2 RC 00000 00000
00000 00000 36

16 LMI B RD 00000
00000 00000 00000 42
16 LMI B RD 00000
00000 00000 00000 42
16 LMI B RD 00000
00000 00000 00000 42
16 LMI B RD 00000
00000 00000 00000 42
16 LMI B RD 00000
00000 00000 00000 42
16 LMI B RD 00000
00000 00000 00000 42

16 LMI JLS SH RD 4 RC 00000 00000
00000 00000 62
16 LMI JLS SH RD 4 RC 00000 00000
00000 00000 62
16 LMI JLS SH RD 4 RC 00000 00000
00000 00000 62
16 LMI JLS SH RD 00000 00000
00000 00000 58

2 2-Lch 1/w JLS ,B RB 00000 00000
00000 00000 52
2 2-Lch 1/w JLS ,B RB 00000 00000
00000 00000 52

Ally + 1x 4-Hch 3/w B IB 00000 00000
00000 00000 119
2 4-Hch 3w/ B IB 00000
00000 00000 00000 89
2 4-Hch 3w/ B IB 00000
00000 00000 00000 89

36 LMI B IC 00000
00000 00000 00000 97


Units 23 + 1 command stand
1603
Scouting Points 27


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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Brinton,

If I were a new player looking for an army to play, I would suggest
looking for an army that is forgiving. That is, I suggest an army with a mix of
Regulars and irregulars. Reg Lights will help you get out of jams as they can
counter out of harms way and Irregular units of heavy units will charge harder
without the need of having extra generals (in the case of mounted Regs). One
army that comes to mind on the Regular side of the pendulum is the knights of
saint John. My friend, Greg Regets has never lost with them and My bud Todd
Kaeser won with them in the Open at Historicon as I recall. In the hand of a
skilled player, they can choose their match-ups and usually come out on top. But
I noticed that you chose Sassanids, these are a long time favorite of mine and
they have that wonderful mix of regs and irregs that I spoke of earlier. Overall
I would go with the Sassanids as it can be morphed into many different
combinations though. Good luck and welcome to Warrior (actually
you've been here for a while, but I just wanted to say that!) :-)

Kelly Wilkinson

Brinton <brwilliams@...> wrote:
So I'm in the middle of building my first 15mm Warrior army (Later
Crusader) and now I'm looking to build a 25/28mm army for versatility
(being able to play either).

Armies I'm interested in (using a combination of good looking
figures, interest in the period and not an army I'm already building
in another scale/system)

Mongols

Song Chinese

Saracen/Seljuk Turk

Hundred Years War (English or Free Company)

Polybian Roman

Sassanid Persian

----------------

Mainly I am just looking for advice on what a decent fun army out of
those would be. I'd like it to not be horrible in battle but mainly I
am looking for something fun and interesting because it will most
likely be my one 28/25mm warrior army for a while so I don't want to
get to sick of it. Any advice on how these play or what difficulties
they face would be wonderful.

Thanks,

Brinton





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[Ewan McNay]

Adrian's point on Sassanids is a good one: they're probably one of the
best 2500 point armies around . But, they're able to bre pretty
forgiving, and they have both interesting figures and an ability to morph
into other interesting armies with varying degrees of realism.. (Timurids
come to mind..)

The Turks are perhaps the least forgiving for a relatively new player, so
they'd be the one I did not recommend. Mongols will be frustrating but
rewarding, and they're probably be next-to-bottom on my list; I think that
the learning curve might be too steep to be optimal. Song has a much
shallower curve but probably a lower peak to that curve. I'd probably
recommend HYW; not too many troop types, but a range of interesting
tactics, and most parts of the game - manouvre, missile fire, shock
troops, terrain - will be important; it should also be fairly forgiving
and of great historical interest.

Adrian Williams wrote:
> They all look like fin choices - I particularly like Mongol and
> Sassanid, though 100yw is a mighty army.
>
> Mongols are super manouverable and have a lot of interisting
> auxiliaries.
>
> Sassanids are like a lolly shop to a little child - you just can't
> fit all that you would like into the given points.
>
> Both of the above look great - I think Gripping Beast make lovely
> Sassanids, though I am not sure what the best Mongol figures are in
> 25mm.
>
> I doubt whether you would ever get sick of Sassanids.
>
> Adrian Williams
>
> -- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Brinton" <brwilliams@a...>
> wrote:
>
>>So I'm in the middle of building my first 15mm Warrior army (Later
>>Crusader) and now I'm looking to build a 25/28mm army for
>
> versatility
>
>>(being able to play either).
>>
>>Armies I'm interested in (using a combination of good looking
>>figures, interest in the period and not an army I'm already
>
> building
>
>>in another scale/system)
>>
>>Mongols
>>
>>Song Chinese
>>
>>Saracen/Seljuk Turk
>>
>>Hundred Years War (English or Free Company)
>>
>>Polybian Roman
>>
>>Sassanid Persian
>>
>>----------------
>>
>>Mainly I am just looking for advice on what a decent fun army out
>
> of
>
>>those would be. I'd like it to not be horrible in battle but
>
> mainly I
>
>>am looking for something fun and interesting because it will most
>>likely be my one 28/25mm warrior army for a while so I don't want
>
> to
>
>>get to sick of it. Any advice on how these play or what
>
> difficulties
>
>>they face would be wonderful.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Brinton
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Greg Regets]

I have a bit of the same situation going on. When I build an army,
I'm pretty much stuck with it for about five or six years.

As a result, I would almost always recommend a Medieval army, because
you can usually add a few units, change a few flags, and field a
completely different army with completely different victory
conditions.

That said, in my opinion I find English Hundred Years War and Free
Company highly boring armies to play. If you are sold on the power of
the 2HCW/LB armed battle line, I would suggest an army that gets
some, like Medieval Spanish, Italian Condotta, or Burgundian Ord.,
but that also gives you a bit more variety in it's support troops.

If none of that makes sense, you can always just say you want a man's
army, with cavalry and infantry ... not some overrated, ten elephant
having, unlimited incendiary buying, scythed chariot fielding, no
minimus army with thirty lines of list rules and units made for point
optimization rather than historical accuracy.

Where is the glory in winning, with an army like that? ;-)

greg ...



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Brinton" <brwilliams@a...>
wrote:
>
> So I'm in the middle of building my first 15mm Warrior army (Later
> Crusader) and now I'm looking to build a 25/28mm army for
versatility
> (being able to play either).
>
> Armies I'm interested in (using a combination of good looking
> figures, interest in the period and not an army I'm already
building
> in another scale/system)
>
> Mongols
>
> Song Chinese
>
> Saracen/Seljuk Turk
>
> Hundred Years War (English or Free Company)
>
> Polybian Roman
>
> Sassanid Persian
>
> ----------------
>
> Mainly I am just looking for advice on what a decent fun army out
of
> those would be. I'd like it to not be horrible in battle but mainly
I
> am looking for something fun and interesting because it will most
> likely be my one 28/25mm warrior army for a while so I don't want
to
> get to sick of it. Any advice on how these play or what
difficulties
> they face would be wonderful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brinton
>

[Derek Downs]

Tang list used in Siege of Augusta

Sub-GeneralSub-Gen + P + 5 HC, L, B, 1/2 Sh124318
Provincial cav6 HC, L, B, 1/2 Sh82400
Provincial cav6 HC, L, B, 1/2 Sh82482
Provincial cav6 HC, L, B, 1/2 Sh82564
Provincial cav6 HC, L, B, 1/2 Sh82646
Provincial LC8 LC, B58704
Provincial LC4 LC, L34738
Jian'er Bowmen16 LMI, B42780
Jian'er Bowmen16 LMI, B42822
Jian'er Bowmen16 LMI, B42864
Jian'er Spearmen8 HI/8 MI LTS, B, 1/2 Sh82946
Jian'er Spearmen8 HI/8 MI LTS, B, 1/2 Sh821028
Jian'er Spearmen8 HI/8 MI LTS, B, 1/2 Sh821110
Jian'er Spearmen8 HI/8 MI LTS, B, 1/2 Sh821192
Jian'er Spearmen8 HI/8 MI LTS, B, 1/2 Sh821274
Jian'er LI12 LI, B341308
Jian'er LI12 LI, B341342
Jian'er LI12 LI, B341376
Southern Tribesmen6 LMI, JLS, Sh551431
Southern Tribesmen6 LMI, JLS, Sh551486
Jian'er Javelinmen16 LMI, JLS, Sh581544
Jian'er Javelinmen16 LMI, JLS, Sh581602

Derekcus


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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 1/16/2006 1:16:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
franktrevorgilson@... writes:
>
> Derek Downs Old Babylonian 2000 BC 31.5
> Chris Damour Sicilian Hohenstaufen 26.1
> Rick Parrish Tang Chinese 24
> Jamie White Late Imperial Roman 23.6
> Will Richardson Later Crusader 19.5
> Steve Rawls Selucid 19
> Greg Croyle Inca 18
> Chris Richardson Japanese 17.9
> Rob Richardson Patrician Roman 11.4
> Ty Downs Samnite 8.1
> Skip Torok Berber 6.4
Derek played Rick P 5 Rob R 5 Chris D 5
Chris D played Will R 5 Bye Derek 3
Rick P played Derek 3 Ty 4 Will 5
Jamie played Skip 5 Will 4 Greg 5
Will played Steve 5 Jamie 3 Rick 1
Steve played Will 3 Greg 3 Bye
Greg played Bye Steve 4 Jamie 1
Chris R played Chris D 2 Skip 5 Ty 5
Rob played Ty 4 Derek 1 Skip 3
Ty played Rob 2 Rick 1 Chris R 1
Skip played Jamie 1 Chris R 1 Rob R 1

Derekcus




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I don't know what I want in an army in game terms (reg, irr, 2HCW/LB
battle line) really because I have no real experience with WRG and
only 2 games of warrior. The armies I listed were picked with no
knowledge of how they'll perform in Warrior and instead were based on
interest in the period, interest in the miniatures and interest in the
historical tactics and battles they fought. I am building a later
crusader warrior army in 15mm so I have at least one knight army. I'm
looking for some versatility in either the list or how they perform on
the battlefield mainly. I'm also interested in if historical tactics
would give good results for the armies in question.

So Saracens are out due to a comment about being unforgiving for a
beginner and I'm figuring Song Chinese are out as well (less of an
interest on my side as well).

I'm interested to know why "Mongols will be frustrating but
rewarding" because that is a period I am very interested in and there
are some good figures for them (Ebob, Assault group).

Sassasnid Persians are currently the front runner but I am not as
passionate about there history. I really like A&A's line of miniatures
and the versatility is there it sounds like. I have a decent interest
in the period though so it should be fine.

Hundred Year Wars is another period that's good for me history wise
and I really like the Perry Brothers miniatures. There was a
suggestion to use other Medieval lists with more variety in the
support troops but I don't have as much interest in the period
(Condotta, Burgundian Ordnance) (something I need to paint so many of
the little guys). I said English or Free Company because its hard for
me to support the French in that war after a viewing of Henry V as a
child.

Any thoughts on Polybian Romans?

To answer Jamie's questions I live in Southern California (Los
Angeles) and I probably wouldn't be traveling to New York or Florida
for my 25mm games. I don't know how many people play 25mm on this
coast but I figured for conventions and such it would be good to have
the army.

I assume the Knights of St. John that was recommended is covering the
later part of their history? What are the miniature manufacturers or
are they similar enough to later crusaders? From what I've seen they
don't spark my interest to much (don't get me wrong, my Later Crusader
army will definitely have Hospitalers, I just lose interest after 3rd
crusade).

Thanks for the continuing help.

Brinton