Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Bill Chriss]

Arrian V. 19. 5:

"Boukephalas...died...he was about thirty years old; up to then he
had shared Alexander's numerous exertions and dangers and had never
been mounted by anyone but Alexander himself, since he would brook
no other rider; his size was large and his spirit noble. His mark
was an oxhead (boos kephali) branded upon him; hence, they say, his
name Boukephalas; others, however, say that he was black except for
a white mark on his head, which was exactly like an oxhead."

See also V. 14; and V. 29.

Take your pick. It's likely Big Al wouldn't have ridden 28 year old
Boukky while charging Darius in the heat of battle, if for no other
reason than to keep him from getting hurt. Hence the mosaic of Issus.

BTW, You'll love this. My son John "the little Greek" just found me
a website in Greece from which to buy 15mm Greek Greek hoplite
figures from a Greek manufacturer. I'm going for it. I sure hope
they're nice castings. With real Greek figures I feel confidently up
3!!!


Greek



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, hrisikos@D... wrote:
> I've found historical references
> > that
> > seem to confirm that Alexander had golden/blond hair but have
had no luck
> > with Bucephalus. A friend mentioned that Arrian gives the
colour but
> > can't
> > remember what it was, and I haven't been able to find a copy of
Arrian to
> > confirm.
> >
> > Does anybody know what colour Bucephalus should be, hopefully
with
> > historical documentation?
> >
> > Michael Bard
> > That Greek Hoplite Guy (possibly branching out)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Alexander had golden/blonde/light brown hair, so don't be confused
by the
> mosaic. Greek blond is different that Swedish blonde. Bucephalos
was black
> with white face markings. I'll try to find the reference for you.
> Meanwhile, i assume you're talking about the 25mm Navigator fig,
right?
> For 15mm, I took an Essex Bactrian unhelmeted companion fig, cut
off his
> bow case, and made him a sword by trimming, smashing, and
sculpting his
> tin lance. This is the best 15mm facsimile I found, unless you use
the
> Essex MPA Macedonian Command pack and paint up the cuirassed and
helmeted
> general that looks the most like Alex (not the one with the
drooping cloak
> that looks pensive--that one, I've always thought, should be
Antigonos
> Gonatas, the only philosopher king among the successors, and I've
painted
> him as such).
>
>
>
> Greek

[Mike Bard]

> Arrian V. 19. 5:
>
> "Boukephalas...died...he was about thirty years old; up to then he
> had shared Alexander's numerous exertions and dangers and had never
> been mounted by anyone but Alexander himself, since he would brook
> no other rider; his size was large and his spirit noble. His mark
> was an oxhead (boos kephali) branded upon him; hence, they say, his
> name Boukephalas; others, however, say that he was black except for
> a white mark on his head, which was exactly like an oxhead."

Black it is. Thanks.

> See also V. 14; and V. 29.

> BTW, You'll love this. My son John "the little Greek" just found me
> a website in Greece from which to buy 15mm Greek Greek hoplite
> figures from a Greek manufacturer. I'm going for it. I sure hope
> they're nice castings. With real Greek figures I feel confidently up
> 3!!!

You should also get them to send you a bag of Greecian Dirt. That way you
can have Greek Greek Hoplites flocked with Greek Dirt. Christian Cameron
has his Achean Greeks based with Trojan Dirt. (take that all you fantasy
players!)

Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy

[John Murphy]

I have a friend who got Babylonian sand for his Neo-Babylonian
wheels army. Easier nowdays than it used to be.

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Bard" <mwbard@r...>
wrote:
> You should also get them to send you a bag of Greecian Dirt. That
way you
> can have Greek Greek Hoplites flocked with Greek Dirt. Christian
Cameron
> has his Achean Greeks based with Trojan Dirt. (take that all you
fantasy
> players!)

[scott holder]

A couple of things you can do.

I think Foundry actually makes steel spears now so they don't bend, etc.

You can also buy florist wire, snip it to length, the buy spear tips (Iron Wind
sells em but they're moronically priced online last time I checked but quite
affordable if you go to the east coast shows) and glue them onto the end.

Thus far, the security bubbas at the airports haven't had a cow about these
things but then I'm not sure if anybody's brought a phalanx thru security.
LTS-armed will probably be deemed harmless.....like they were
historically:) Sorry Bill, couldn't resist.

-----Original Message-----
From: hrisikos@... [mailto:hrisikos@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:41 AM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Boukephalas Painting Question


>
> You should also get them to send you a bag of Greecian Dirt. That way
> you
> can have Greek Greek Hoplites flocked with Greek Dirt. Christian Cameron
> has his Achean Greeks based with Trojan Dirt. (take that all you fantasy
> players!)
>
> Michael Bard
> That Greek Hoplite Guy
>


Excellent idea. Will take care of this when I next go back to visit the
family (near Nestor's rocky Pylos). Doubt I'll ever get Trojan dirt for
the 25mm Myceneaen army I'm working on now, since I don't like going to
Turkey much. Which reminds me... Many of the Foundry 25mm I bpught came
withoput spears. What do you guys do about that? In 15mm I'm proficient in
brass wire, but what do you do here? Should I have bought seperate packs
of weapons? Are they sold separately?



Greek





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[Bill Chriss]

>
> You should also get them to send you a bag of Greecian Dirt. That way
> you
> can have Greek Greek Hoplites flocked with Greek Dirt. Christian Cameron
> has his Achean Greeks based with Trojan Dirt. (take that all you fantasy
> players!)
>
> Michael Bard
> That Greek Hoplite Guy
>


Excellent idea. Will take care of this when I next go back to visit the
family (near Nestor's rocky Pylos). Doubt I'll ever get Trojan dirt for
the 25mm Myceneaen army I'm working on now, since I don't like going to
Turkey much. Which reminds me... Many of the Foundry 25mm I bpught came
withoput spears. What do you guys do about that? In 15mm I'm proficient in
brass wire, but what do you do here? Should I have bought seperate packs
of weapons? Are they sold separately?



Greek

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Bill,
I suggest using Broom Bristles with Ral-Partha Spearheads glued on. Charles
Yaw's Sassanids are all done this way and they look fantastic. Plus if you are
given any trouble at the airport, you can show the "Bubba's" that your scary
spears bend. LOL!

kelly
PS One broom can supply many armies with spears! heehee !



hrisikos@... wrote:
>
> You should also get them to send you a bag of Greecian Dirt. That way
> you
> can have Greek Greek Hoplites flocked with Greek Dirt. Christian Cameron
> has his Achean Greeks based with Trojan Dirt. (take that all you fantasy
> players!)
>
> Michael Bard
> That Greek Hoplite Guy
>


Excellent idea. Will take care of this when I next go back to visit the
family (near Nestor's rocky Pylos). Doubt I'll ever get Trojan dirt for
the 25mm Myceneaen army I'm working on now, since I don't like going to
Turkey much. Which reminds me... Many of the Foundry 25mm I bpught came
withoput spears. What do you guys do about that? In 15mm I'm proficient in
brass wire, but what do you do here? Should I have bought seperate packs
of weapons? Are they sold separately?



Greek


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[Charles Yaw]

As Kelly pointed out, my Sassanids had broom straw spears. There are a
couple of ways to make them. Both start with buying a new broom with
plasitc bristles. Pay attention to the thickness of the broom bristles, if
you are modeling 25's you want a fairly heavy bristle. I take a sample
spear along with me.

1. Cut the broom bristle to length and super glue on a spear head. Old
Glory makes several types of 25mm spearheads. Paint. These make great
lances.

2. For Javilins or Smaller type spears (LTS), cut the broom bristle a
little longer than you want it. Take a pair of pliers or a vice and mash
about 1/4 to 1/2 inch of the bristle flat. Use a sharpe knife to cut it to
a point. Paint.

The great thing about these is they flex. You are not going to be injuried
by your own troops like piano wire is prone to do.

And its cheap. I have used the same broom for years. Just don't sweep the
floor with it :)

Charles




> Bill,
> I suggest using Broom Bristles with Ral-Partha Spearheads glued on.
Charles Yaw's Sassanids are all done this way and they look fantastic. Plus
if you are given any trouble at the airport, you can show the "Bubba's" that
your scary spears bend. LOL!
>
> kelly
> PS One broom can supply many armies with spears! heehee !
>
>
>
> hrisikos@... wrote:
> >
> > You should also get them to send you a bag of Greecian Dirt. That way
> > you
> > can have Greek Greek Hoplites flocked with Greek Dirt. Christian
Cameron
> > has his Achean Greeks based with Trojan Dirt. (take that all you
fantasy
> > players!)
> >
> > Michael Bard
> > That Greek Hoplite Guy
> >
>
>
> Excellent idea. Will take care of this when I next go back to visit the
> family (near Nestor's rocky Pylos). Doubt I'll ever get Trojan dirt for
> the 25mm Myceneaen army I'm working on now, since I don't like going to
> Turkey much. Which reminds me... Many of the Foundry 25mm I bpught came
> withoput spears. What do you guys do about that? In 15mm I'm proficient in
> brass wire, but what do you do here? Should I have bought seperate packs
> of weapons? Are they sold separately?
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>
>
> Greek
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[Bill Chriss]

> A couple of things you can do.
>
> I think Foundry actually makes steel spears now so they don't bend, etc.

And I can get them from where? Jake? Or is there a website?


>
> You can also buy florist wire, snip it to length, the buy spear tips
> (Iron Wind sells em but they're moronically priced online last time I
> checked but quite affordable if you go to the east coast shows) and glue
> them onto the end.


Yes. I do this now with 15mm, but what would you deem the appropriate
gauge of wire for 25mm, width-wise?


>
> Thus far, the security bubbas at the airports haven't had a cow about
> these things but then I'm not sure if anybody's brought a phalanx thru
> security. LTS-armed will probably be deemed harmless.....like they were
> historically:) Sorry Bill, couldn't resist.
>


Youch!!!!...Oh dear. Got me that time. Not to worry, I'm just happy to be
here and part of the discussion. I'm afraid my play has pretty well
demonstrated that over the last 15 years, anyway , I never hit a whole
bunch of homeruns in baseball either, but had the best uniform. Wait til
you see the 25mm Mycenaean Amry I'm getting ready to start painting.
They'll probably get beat a lot, too, unless we find some Trojans to whip
up on, but they're gonna look magnificent. My 15mm Greek Greek hoplites
oughtn't to look too bad either, once I getthe castings from the old
country. BTW, i think hoplites should count their hoplon as both pavise
AND shield, since nobody else I can think of carried one that big and
heavy, and since missile fire from the front never seems to have fazed
them much...

But right now I'm working on the Hellenistic Greek list and research to
send you as grist for Classical Warrior. If there's time, I might also
take a look at Antigonos Gonatas (Early Macedonian Successor). You've
already got my scholarly work on later hoplites. I submitted a similar
article to the American Philological Association publication "Amphora,"
and was asked to make a few revisions and resubmit. That article, however,
has no wargame component and less military emphasis.


Greek

[Mike Bard]

Ral Partha Enterprises at www.fasa.com/ralpartha/index.html* sells metal
spearheads, but you need the wire. Old Glory at
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamTxt=&txts
earchParamCat=280&txtsearchParamType=ALL&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchPara
mVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch&iLevel=1 sell packs of metal spearheads
with wires. I'm not certain which gauge of wire Old Glory uses.

Personally I prefer the Old Glory ones as the wire is thicker and, I think,
more realistic. The spearheads are a bit big. Ral Partha used to supply
wire but they don't anymore, and the spearheads tend to break if you try and
put them on the larger wire provided by Old Glory as you try and drill out a
larger hole.

I believe that the Foundry spears
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/textlist/extra.asp are plain steel with one
end pressed down (the kind that can go right through your hand). I'd prefer
not to decorate my miniatures with my own blood...

Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy

*That is the address given on the back of the catalogue I had (which I
picked up at Cold Wars this year) and it doesn't work (for me anyway). the
only look I've had getting their stuff is at Cold Wars and Historicon.

[scott holder]

Personally I prefer the Old Glory ones as the wire is thicker and, I think,
more realistic. The spearheads are a bit big. Ral Partha used to supply
wire but they don't anymore, and the spearheads tend to break if you try and
put them on the larger wire provided by Old Glory as you try and drill out a
larger hole.

>Or, as I mentioned earlier, you can go to any decent sized craft store and look
for florist wire. It comes in all kinds of diameters. Just take your spear
tips with you and fit em onto the ends.

scott